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Message:: [QUOTE="Larry Moran, post: 1095398, member: 4580"]Conder Token issues rated Common probably had fewer than 5,000 examples struck. Matthew Boulton's early efforts to strike coinage with steam power resulted in an average lifetime of 420 tokens per die pair.  As failures in dies proceeded, deterioration accelerated until eventually a die shattered.  I imagine both dies would be replaced at that time, but sometimes only one die would be replaced, I think. A numismatist is a private detective with himself as the client. - Larry Thanks, yarm and farthing, when I checked the penny page in D&H, page 227,  I found a penciled note that I had added DH8 to the Scarce group, its rarity rating not listed specifically otherwise.  Bill probably told me that on the phone.  I've purchased a few of the Bath Camels from him -- DH8, 50 and 50c, each in UNC. It's doubtful that we'll be seeing an example of the 8a variety.  I need a farthing.  LOL[/QUOTE]