Let's see your Conder Tokens

Below please find an example of the 'plain edge' Liberty & Security.

Listed as D&H-1052, W-11000, Baker 31-C, Breen-1262, and Fuld-WA.1795.1c, this 'plain edge' variety, without edge lettering, is the rarest of the 4 varieties of the Liberty & Security, with only 9-16 estimated in existence (URS-5).

Though it is not anywhere near the grade of many specimens shared in this thread, I'm delighted to have it in my cabinet given how rare it is.

 

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My new friends at Sahara Coin in Las Vegas NV graciously parted with these nice new pickups last month. The first one is is a Lancashire Lancaster #24 1792 which I grade a MS 62 or 3 Max and still has some red remaining in the protected areas and no big problems, just a few hits that limit the grade. The second coin is a Kent Dover #16 1794 this one grades a little finer and I put it at a MS 64 as a top grade for the coin. Anyway, just love the darker brown of older copper and the craftsmanship on Conders is really superb and ahead of its time, as we all well know. Anytime I get a chance to buy them in decent shape I usually can't pass them up. Thanks, Matt

 

Those look very nice!
But those aren't Penny's

I have a few to show you too but that will take awhile.

Nice pickups Matt.

 

Thanks Duke, I know, but they are still nice copper and you know I have a weakness for that.

 

I think I've developed your weakness. lol

BTW that first one you posted has "Duke" on the obverse!

 

Pidcock Farthing, c. 1795, VF

Here's a Pidcock farthing I recently added. Well worn, grading VF, but enjoyable and has nice patina. From a dealer's bargain list.






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T Welch penny token

There are some elegant designs on many of the private tokens in the Conder series. Here's a Birmingham promissary token by T Welch.

 

Conder from Richard Doty Reference Collection

Yorkshire, DH 23a • Ship, Hull Halfpenny

This Conder Token was previously owned by Dr. Richard Doty, Curator of Money Exhibits at the Smithsonian Institute.
Perhaps it would grade MS-62 PL RB or so.

Edge Reads: PAYABLE IN LONDON BRISTOL & LANCASTER






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Herefordshire 3

There are two different body types for the bull on Herefordshire 1 through 4. Here's a Herefordshire 3 penny with the heavy body.

 

Wales, Anglesey DH 299 halfpenny

I traveled five miles and attended the ANA World's Fair of Money on Wednesday and can tell you that I greatly prefer
buying from my regular dealer, because I have days to decide if I want to keep and pay for a particular token.

I seldom return anything, but have on occasion. After I decide to keep an item, I send a check.

But I did buy three items at the show, two 1797 British cartwheel twopence coins and this Conder token
that used ot belong to R. Dalton, of Dalton & Hamer. I'm pleased to have a token from his collection.

It's in a bit lower grade than I usually buy, but this Conder Token has an interesting provenance.

This is Anglesey halfpenny DH 299 • Druid / Parys Mining Co. Cypher rated Common,
however, DH 299 is supposed to have a plain edge and mine does not.
I guess this was missed by the dealer, and by Dalton, or during a later edition/revision.
This warrants more research methinks. Perhaps mine should be DH-299a.

Edge reads: PAYABLE IN ANGLESEY LONDON OR LIVERPOOL • X •











ANA Member No. K-3148636

 

1795 Middlesex, Spence's DH 852a • Thomas Spence halfpenny

I went back to the ANA show again on Friday and bought this gem Conder Token, a Thomas Spence token.

This is Middlesex 852a, a halfpenny token, plain-edged and RR.
I'll estimate its grade at around MS-65 RB PL PQ.

 

Engraving "dot"?

Beauty, Larry!

I find the "Before the Revolution" engraving quite amazing. My understanding is that such pieces were hand engraved despite measuring only 1 1/4" or so. Looking at a few other examples, I noticed a "dot" between the prisoner's bone and the door which is about in the center of the token. It could be just a small flaw in the die or it could be what I've heard described as a "centering dot" used in hand engraving, but how that might have helped in the engraving process is a mystery to me!

 

It appears that Larry's token has a center dot on both sides!

 

Great tokens Larry and Yarm.

Keeping with the Spence theme. This is not a new acquisition for me but I don't believe I've posted this one before.

Spence's DH 684.

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I love that the "4" of the date is backwards! Great piece!

 

I liked the dentils on this one.

 

Those are great Spence tokens, Yarm and Conderluva.
Excellent images, too. : )
Spence tokens have soared in value recently.

I have a 685a coming in the mail, so should post photos next week.

I agree with brg5658 about the amazing dentils on some Conder Tokens.

 

Middlesex, Spence's DH 685a • 1795 Thomas Spence halfpenny Conder Token

I checked Gary Sriro's CD and found that 10 examples of this type have been sold
in the world in the past 12 years or so.


1795 Thomas Spence Conder Token, Middlesex, Spence’s DH 685a, obverse
Engraver was Charles James, London.

Edge reads: SPENCE ✻ DEALER ✻ IN ✻ COINS ✻ LONDON

Thomas Spence was a radical philosopher, author and publisher.
He was also a coin dealer and issued many satirical Conder Tokens.

Spence spent time in prison for publishing Thomas Paine's Rights of Man.

Occasionally, Spence would toss halfpenny tokens from his second story window to passersby.
On those days, he was quite popular, on other days, not so much.

He wrote and spoke radically, advocating that all land be owned by all men in common,
with some organization proposed but essentially all for the common good.
Landowners would all have to give up their land. (Good luck, Thomas Spence.)

Spence even wrote a plan for America to deal with our Indian problems, in about 1795.

This token remains in superb gEF condition, after more than 200 years in the custody of collectors and dealers.

 

Hi everyone,

A quick note for those conder collectors out there. I have just finished compiling a free historical PR list for tokens from Norfolk to Yorkshire. The list contains over 1300 records, and includes price realized + BP, grades, lot #, date of sale, etc.

You can get a free copy here. http://condertokenbook.com/giveaway

 

This one came from England today, and I just had a chance to snap some photos. It's a nice "Milled right" version of the Middlesex Lyceum token (estimated to be RR, as it was added later to the D&H). Any comments on whether people agree with this rarity would be appreciated. Thanks for looking!