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Discussion in 'Contests' started by stldanceartist, Sep 21, 2016.

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  1. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Was it the photo that clinched it? Is the one you posted yours?
     
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  3. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    What's the history behind it?
     
  4. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it was the photo that clinched it, but I was thinking it was a Palestinian token of some sort as soon as Palestine was mentioned. Unfortunately, the posted one is just an image I snagged from NGC's web site. This is a really neat and rare piece!
     
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  5. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Mods, what are the rules regarding using information directly from a reference book?
     
  6. redcent230

    redcent230 Well-Known Member

    Was it from Daniel Carr
     
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  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Paul's winning guess was his second guess in round 5.;)
     
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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I can only assume you are asking that question in regard to copyright law, and yes we will enforce copyright. That said, can you type in the information you find in a reference and share it here ? Yes of course you can.

    The only time you run into trouble is when you start photographing a page or pages from a book and then posting those pictures here - doing that is a violation of copyright.
     
  9. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Actually, Paul M asked a question "Is it dated 1927?" and then made his official guess.

    Thank you - just what I was hoping to hear. (Wanted to ask first to keep everyone happy...had this all typed up and ready to go.)
     
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  10. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Palestine Holyland Token​

    From The Coins and Banknotes of Palestine Under the British Mandate, 1927-1947, first published in 2001 by McFarland. Author: Howard M. Berlin

    "The 1927 Holyland Token"

    Perhaps one of the most interesting topics debated in Judaic numismatics is the uncertainty surrounding the origin of the 1927 Holyland Token, sometimes referred to as the "Souvenir Mil." The true story about why this particular item was made has never been known with a high degree of certainty. I use the generalized term "item" here because many of the dealers and collectors with who I have had discussions about this specimen have no consensus of opinion whether or not to correctly classify it as a coin, pattern, or a token.

    My summary (which I think will be okay?):

    Coin/Pattern - it looks very similar to the actual coins produced by the British Mandate of Palestine in 1927, however, there are some spelling errors in the Arabic that would lead one to believe it could never have been produced by an Arabic nation. Also, certain phrases relating to Israel were included that also would never have been included by an Arabic nation. However, too many examples have been found for what they'd consider normal patterns.

    Token - lots of visitors wanted to take home a souvenir of their visit to the Holyland, and they were taking all the new Palestinian coins home, so they made this token as a substitute. However, not enough examples of this item have been found for that to have been reasonably true.

    Here is a screenshot of NGC's World Coin Price Guide Search, which anyone can access online HERE)

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    Last edited: Oct 1, 2016
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    When you asked the question and said "reference" I assumed you were talking about something like the Krause catalogs where the information you would be sharing would like a single paragraph at most. Doing that, sharing that much info, is permissible under the fair use clause of copyright law.

    But 5 pages of text ? I'm sorry, no THAT is not permissible. Sorry, but I must edit your post.

    And yeah it's my fault because I made an assumption :oops:
     
  12. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Additional fun fact:

    I had no idea that Palestine is the ONLY sovereign country to ever have coins minted with its name on them without ever having technically existed (link.)
     
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  13. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Tis' why I asked sir.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh I know, you asked. And I answered. Problem is, you were asking one question and I was answering an entirely different question. Like I said, my fault, not yours. I should have asked you to be more specific about your question - and then answered.
     
  15. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    I just typed in a short self-summary of the edited information. That should be acceptable, yes?
     
  16. ace71499

    ace71499 Young Numismatic

    Wow dang I was so close (not really). Fun contest though!
    I liked how you named your picture "mysterious item"
    Congrats Paul M!
     
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  17. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    Ha..well, it WAS named "Palestine - 1927 Holyland Token" which would have kind of been a pretty strong hint...lol
     
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  18. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Congrats, Paul. Fun game!
     
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  19. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

    Thank you for hosting this contest, it was fun.
     
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  20. Coinlover67

    Coinlover67 Well-Known Member

    Thank you it was fun and congratulations to Paul

    Sent from my A463BG using Tapatalk
     
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  21. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Fun game. Hope we can do it again!
     
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