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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2624699, member: 112"]Would you like to know how many of those 1997 MS68RD cents there were in Oct. of 2003 ?  A grand total of 2. Now would ya like to know how many there were in Apr. of 2006 ? 10 - five times as many as there were just 18 months earlier. And just in case ya want to know, the 67s jumped from 39 to 117 in the same time period. Seems to me that that's when the population really exploded ! Of course it also makes it obvious that 2004 was when grading standards changed, long before Salzberg is talking about - 5 years ago. And he's talking about an increase of what, 35-40% in 13-15 months. I'm talking about an increase of 500% in 18 months ! Now just for the heck of it would you like to know how many of those '97 cents NGC had graded as MS68RD at the end of 2003 ? A grand total of 3. And today, well there's 26 of them. And let's throw the 67s in too, at the end of 2003 NGC had graded 6 - today they have graded today they have graded 86 ! NGC has had the same explosion in populations, and it started at the exactly the same time that it did at PCGS - 2004. And those huge increases in pop numbers took place across the board in 2004, with classic coins too, not just modern coins. And it happened at NGC and PCGS both, not just one of them. My point is this, this loosening of TPG grading standards has been going on a lot longer than most are willing to acknowledge. It started in 2004, not 2011 or 2012.[/QUOTE]