Leopold I 1698 1 kreuzer found in LRBC lot

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  1. Roman Collector

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    I posted this over in world coins, but that board is kind of slow moving and I know some of you folks here at the dark side are familiar with this sort of early modern thing.

    What is it? What metal is it made of? It is bent and there's a big scratch on the reverse, so I don't imagine it has any monetary value at all -- I'm just curious which mint might have struck it and other numismatic details.

    If I have transcribed the obverse or reverse legends incorrectly, please let me know. There are a lot of abbreviations on the coin. Does anyone know what they stand for?

    I know that's a lot of questions, but I don't know much about modern coins such as this one so thanks in advance!

    [​IMG] Leopold I, AD 1657 - 1705.
    Austrian? AR (?) 1 kreutzer, 0.93 g, 16.1 mm, 5 h.
    Unknown mint, AD 1698.
    Obv: LEOPOLDVS•DG•R•I•S•A•G•H•B•REX, bare-headed bust of Leopold I, wearing elaborate robe, facing right.
    Rev: ARCHID•AVS[...]BVR•SI•16-98, double-headed eagle with outstretched wings, facing, wearing crown; on breast, 1 within oval.
    References: ?
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  3. DonnaML

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  4. Roman Collector

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    Thank you. That's very similar. It differs in reverse legend and die-axis, but very close.

    Most helpful is the explanation of the titulature: "Deo Gratia Romanorum Imperator Semper Augustus Germaniae Hungariae Bohemiaeque Rex" on the obverse and "Archidux Austriae Dux Burgundiae Silesiae" on the reverse.
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  5. Ryro

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    Take it to moderns and world...
    Totally kidding homeboy! I love me a good post with a lot of question... double so when it's RC!
    The hapsburgs were notorious for their, shall were say, "Keeping it in the family"?
    Though, to all your other questions I'll pull my David lynch card:
    Plus, I love the hogsmouth!
  6. Roman Collector

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    It's reverse inscription seems to match this one on eBay, even down to the (CB) at the bottom.

    Leopold 1698 on eBay.jpg

    In light of this information and upon further inspection, my coin's reverse legend seems to read: ARCHID•AVS(C•B)DVX•BVR•SI•16-98•

    What does the (C•B) refer to? A mint?
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  7. DonnaML

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    I'm pretty sure that it says SIL at the end, not SI. I have no idea what C•B means. Somewhere I have a copy of a KM catalog from back in the 1980s, but who knows if it would have this coin.
  8. Roman Collector

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    On the eBay one, dated 1697, it does say SIL, but on mine from 1698 I'm confident it reads only SI.
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  11. Roman Collector

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    That's it!! You're a sleuth!
  12. dadams

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    Nice Hogmouth find.

    @Zohar444 would probably be able to help.
  13. ominus1

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    ...ah, kool find RC...now you can also be HRC...(Holy Roman Collector.:p)..here's some quantum 'holey' coins for ya of the Austrian line. Holed Holy emperor coins 001.JPG
  14. cmezner

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    C•B is the mint: Brieg modern-day Brzeg, Poland
    at https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces85409.html
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  15. cmezner

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    As far as I know, mint masters of Habsburg mints used symbols, e.g.:
    Griffin left - mint master Hans Barthel Suttner von Suttenbach
    star - mint master Sebastian Hölzl, who was active in Kuttenberg, G. Satny also in Kuttenberg used a wing as his mint master sign
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  16. lordmarcovan

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    Good ol' Leopold Hogmouth. I have a 3-kreuzer piece which displays his fantastic jowls and fabulous hair (or wig).

    Austria: silver 3-kreuzer of Leopold I ("The Hogmouth"), 1700-IA, minor clipped planchet error
    Obverse: Portrait right and titles of Leopold I.
    Reverse: Three shields in inner circle, date at top. "IA" mintmaster initials at bottom.
    Issuer: Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor (1658-1705), Archduke of Austria (as Leopold VI), etc., etc.
    Specifications: Silver, 20 mm, 1.3 g approx. (unrecorded prior to encapsulation). Graz mint.
    Grade: PCGS MS64; cert. #38580860.
    Reference: KM-1115, PCGS-445157, Numista-26235, Her.1364*.
    Provenance: ex-Halbedel Münzen und Medallien, Salzburg, Austria, 10 May 2019.* Purchased raw.
    Notes: This coin, like many of its era, was produced on roller dies, an early machine process that replaced the ancient hand-hammering technique. Coins made on roller dies were often very slightly curved and not quite flat. This one is not especially warped but has a slightly clipped planchet, which is also not uncommon.
    Comments: Leopold I, of the House of Habsburg, had a very distinctive appearance due to his "Habsburg Jaw" (mandibular prognathism). This was a genetic result of inbreeding between royals. His unflattering but colorful nickname was "the Hogmouth". (I'll bet no one dared call him that in person!)
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  17. Herodotus

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    I knew I recognized that chin somewhere.

    I believe it's safe to state that inbreeding wasn't too kind to some of these Hapsburgs.
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  18. +VGO.DVCKS

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    "'Keeping it in the family.'" Ditto, @Herodotus. My favorite was Carlos 'the Bewitched,' the last of the reigning Spanish Habsburgs.
    If you follow European royal genealogy, you see an interesting phenomenon. With the Carolingians, the family tree branches out, almost indefinitely, across all kinds of less established lines, royal and aristocratic. Until it doesn't any more. Eventually the gene pool stops expanding, and starts to contract. By the 17th century, genetically induced craziness (metaphorical, ...and otherwise) has become a serious issue.
  19. galba68

    galba68 Well-Known Member

    RC, I found this coin a couple of months ago, and I left it for my collection, and I find it very rare..
    Leopold I, 1698, 1 kreuzer, patrona, 0.90 gr
  20. cmezner

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    I think my Leopold has a bigger jaw, but if not, at least he has a wonderful hairdo:D

    46 mm, 28.64 g
    Körmöcbánya (Kremnitz), 1692
    Ref.: Davenport 3262, KM 214.3. Huszar 1372; Voglhuber 225; Herinek 735;

    Ob.: LEOPOLDVS D • G • RO • I • S • AVG • GER • HV • BO • REX • laureate, draped, and armored bust with lion-head shoulder to right, titles divided by minute Hungarian Arms and Madonna with Child
    Rev.: • ARCHIDVX • AVS • DVX • BVR • MAR • MOR • CO • TY • 16 / 92, crowned Imperial double eagle holding scepter and sword, Hungary-Bohemia coat-of-arms within Order of the Golden Fleece on breast, K B across fields
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    44 x 46 mm, 28.09 g
    Körmöcbánya (Kremnitz), 1692
    same reference and description

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  21. cmezner

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    forgot about this 1/6 Ducat, the value is under the shoulder (6 x 0.58 would be 3.48 g for 1 Ducat)

    Nagybanja (Frauenbach), 1690; mint master Peter Österreicher
    13 mm, 0.584 g
    Herinek 527; KM 189; Huszár 1343-1344; Friedberg 154; Unger II 1007b

    Ob.: Laureate, draped, young bust facing right
    LEOPOLD D G R I S A G HV B R (Leopold Dei Gratia Romanorum Imperator Semper Augustus Germaniae, Hungariae, Bohemiae Rex [= Leopold, by the grace of God, Emperor of the Romans, Ever Augustus, King of Germany, Hungary, and Bohemia]

    Rev.: Madonna standing facing, holding infant in left hand and scepter in right hand; •1690• S IMACVL V MAR MAT DEI (Holy Immaculate Virgin Mary Mother of God); mint mark N B

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