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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Kasia, post: 1359551, member: 31533&quot;]Yes, I would consider a dealer that gave customers sliders or cleaned coins without their knowledge and labeling such as BU coins, that would be dishonest. That itself is not the fault of the buyer, it is either due to a con man dealer (not honest) or a dealer that actually doesn&#039;t know how to spot a cleaned coin or grade properly (difference between AU and UNC) where the dealer actually thinks based on his improper or non-educated knowledge can&#039;t see the wear on a coin that will put it to AU and he thinks it&#039;s UNC. But it is up to the buyer to have enough knowledge to know what&#039;s being passed to him and if the buyer is not knowledgeable then how can the buyer put the onus directly on the seller, unless the buyer KNOWS the seller knew and can prove it. That is not always the case. </p><p><br /></p><p>I doubt that anyone here can tell you on a forum which dealers they believe to be dishonest of the dealers that advertise in Coin World or any other magazine, because that could be construed as libel or slander, depending on how it impacts the dealer. A person can put an experience up they have had and label the experience as being bad, or such (such as this is the worst company I&#039;ve ever dealt with, blah, blah, blah) but not to openly tell people that a dealer is not honest in his dealings without proof. I certainly would be careful telling someone on a forum not to do business with any particular dealer based on what you&#039;ve asked. I will be happy to say that there are some I see in the magazines that I have heard are good dealers that know their stuff, and there are some that come online on this forum that are considered very upfront knowledgeable dealers. Whether all those also advertise in Coin World, I don&#039;t know. I would think you would get a better answer from people if you ask for their recommendations on who they&#039;ve bought from that were honest with them. I doubt people are going to trash particular dealers just so you can stay away from them.</p><p><br /></p><p>And anyone may be able to get a decent coin from any dealer, but I don&#039;t think so. I think there are always dealers out there that don&#039;t have the smarts to know or care whether the person buying the coin is getting 100% decent coin from him (untampered with or graded correctly). For some, the bottom line is whether it sells and how to keep the person buying the coin from returning it. So to me, it is a buyer&#039;s responsibility to do due diligence as much as is possible. I&#039;ll bet that the same honest buyer who gets a bad coin from a bad dealer wouldn&#039;t complain one bit if he got an excellent coin at a low price from a dealer because he as a buyer knew it and the dealer didn&#039;t. Goes both ways to be honest if that is what you are trying to get at. Human nature being what it is, most people won&#039;t speak up unless they feel a moral responsibility to be &#039;honest and fair&#039; in all dealings. Not too many people like that all the time. And if you cherry pick any coins, then unless you then tell the dealer you are buying the coin from what the dealer missed and it&#039;s true value, then you are not being &#039;honest&#039; either. You expect the dealer (seller) to be knowlegeable about the coin. But some people are &#039;honest&#039; with people (sellers) they don&#039;t expect to have the knowledge and will be upfront with those people and give them a fair deal.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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