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<p>[QUOTE="Leadfoot, post: 440103, member: 2972"]Frog, </p><p><br /></p><p>Your talking in circles trying to prove something which you have no idea about. Please stop.</p><p><br /></p><p>First, there were no legal tender examples in my list -- you were wrong. Now they're OK if they were manufactured before the HPA, but then you go on to say it is illegal to sell them without the word COPY on them. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, I did read the OPs second post, and I have copied it below:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>"There are some very interesting post on this subject and would like to thank all for your thoughts. Now, lets say that you had a nice lot Morgans or whatever the coin and all were nice copies/rep key dates but with no stamp on them ..but a stamp is provided. Would you stamp them or keep them as they are? There are folks out there that collect coins such as these..would you seek them out for possible sale of coins and stamp? Would you pass these on to someone else (buyer) and be confident the coins are in good hands?"</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Please show me where importation was brought up in this post. Or even better, just stop trying to prove yourself right on a topic which wasn't questioned by anyone except yourself.</p><p><br /></p><p>Listen, Frog, I like you man, but you're talking out of your rear end on this one...Mike</p><p><br /></p><p>p.s. It is my understanding that laws can absolutely be retroactive provided the actions that are legal (or illegeal) are taking place in the present. To wit, there's nothing wrong with a law saying any coin made prior to 1972 that wasn't stamped as a copy is illegal to sell without a COPY stamp. However, you can't go back and say the act of manufacture in 1972 was illegal (which is known as an "ex post facto" law, and prohibited in federal law by Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution).</p><p><br /></p><p>p.p.s. There's a huge difference between YOUR inpterpretation of the HPA and the example you cited on the speed limit. The difference is that every day people are cited for breaking the speed limits. Can you produce even a SINGLE example of someone selling a counterfeit advertised as such without the word COPY on it and being prosecuted? Please find one before trying to draw that parallel again.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Leadfoot, post: 440103, member: 2972"]Frog, Your talking in circles trying to prove something which you have no idea about. Please stop. First, there were no legal tender examples in my list -- you were wrong. Now they're OK if they were manufactured before the HPA, but then you go on to say it is illegal to sell them without the word COPY on them. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. Second, I did read the OPs second post, and I have copied it below: [I]"There are some very interesting post on this subject and would like to thank all for your thoughts. Now, lets say that you had a nice lot Morgans or whatever the coin and all were nice copies/rep key dates but with no stamp on them ..but a stamp is provided. Would you stamp them or keep them as they are? There are folks out there that collect coins such as these..would you seek them out for possible sale of coins and stamp? Would you pass these on to someone else (buyer) and be confident the coins are in good hands?"[/I] Please show me where importation was brought up in this post. Or even better, just stop trying to prove yourself right on a topic which wasn't questioned by anyone except yourself. Listen, Frog, I like you man, but you're talking out of your rear end on this one...Mike p.s. It is my understanding that laws can absolutely be retroactive provided the actions that are legal (or illegeal) are taking place in the present. To wit, there's nothing wrong with a law saying any coin made prior to 1972 that wasn't stamped as a copy is illegal to sell without a COPY stamp. However, you can't go back and say the act of manufacture in 1972 was illegal (which is known as an "ex post facto" law, and prohibited in federal law by Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution). p.p.s. There's a huge difference between YOUR inpterpretation of the HPA and the example you cited on the speed limit. The difference is that every day people are cited for breaking the speed limits. Can you produce even a SINGLE example of someone selling a counterfeit advertised as such without the word COPY on it and being prosecuted? Please find one before trying to draw that parallel again.[/QUOTE]
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