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Message:: [QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 438909, member: 12965"]The feds could easily prove when it was made by using known counterfeits as an example. For instance, the infamous Spitting Liberty Dollars should be known when they are manufactured, along with others. The newer counterfeits are clearly an after-the-fact counterfeit and proving they are one of the newer counterfeits wouldn't be hard to prove for the feds, which I believe this to be one of the newer ones.   The law was enacted in 1973, that was 35 years ago and proving the newer counterfeits were made after 1973 would be extremely easy for the feds to prove. However, I didn't say they are illegal to own. What is illegal is to import them into the United States without the word COPY on them, so for all the peeps that are buying them from China, they are violating the law. Everyone needs to understand the Importation Clause in the HPA isn't about the one sending it, it's for the one receiving it. The Chinese are EXPORTING, not IMPORTING, the buyers are the ones IMPORTING and the HPA clearly applies to them and it applies regardless of when the coin was manufactured or who the individual is: (h) Person means any individual, group, association, partnership, or any other business entity. Read the HPA carefully to understand this is a FACT! And since 911, don't think the government isn't spying on your mail. Now, more than any time in our history, they are spying on us in every aspect of our lives as possible, but that's because they fear us and rightly so. So they can easily find out he received those from China recently, without COPY stamped on them, and can prosecute him for violating the HPA. I do not have the resources to do this but they sure do and can, if he ever does anything to pee them off.   Actually, the intent to defraud is actually part of another law, which involves the U.S. Mails and has nothing to do with the manufacturing or importaion of counterfeits. The word FRAUD is not anywhere within this law but fraud is the basis for the law.  <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />  But what does this law actually say: The manufacture in the United States, or the importation into the United States, for introduction into or distribution in commerce of any imitation numismatic item which is not plainly and permanently marked “copy”, is unlawful and is an unfair or deceptive act or practice in commerce under the Federal Trade Commission Act.  That fully backs me up on what I've said. What I understand is this law came about because of a lawmaker getting swindled over the early 1970's California Gold Fractionals that he bought, thinking they were real and the law wasn't properly thought out to deal with the problems we face today and even then, but it was a start and it's overdue for being expanded, as many laws are. Ribbit  <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]

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