Learning to spot double die

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  1. PaNT3rA

    PaNT3rA Active Member

    About a year ago I got into coin collecting and I've learned a lot over the year, although I had to rely on the library at the state penitentiary for 6 months of that year. Anyway I was scrolling through a site that has different picture examples of a DD with different classes, I would enlarge the pictures and try to spot the DD myself and for the most part I was successful but there's a few pictures I'm going to post that I'm unable to see the DD and if anyone wants to explain what I'm missing it would be very helpful, thank you. Keep in mind these are known examples.
     

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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Do you see all of the notches on the tips of the letters and the star?

    Chris
     
  4. PaNT3rA

    PaNT3rA Active Member

    Wow.. Barely. But they are there! How about on older circulated coins? Is one of the things to look for thickening of letters and numbers?
     
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    and it's called Doubled Die.
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    There are different classes of doubled dies. Some have thickened lettering.
    Some show notching on the devices
    Some depending on how strong the Doubled die is will show separation lines. And yet some have a rotation to them.

    Each class is different.
     
  7. cpm9ball

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    Personally, I don't think too much of any doubled die whose only attribute is thick lettering because it can be hard to distinguish the doubling from heavy circulation or die deterioration on an older coin.

    Yeah, I know of one person on these forums who thinks a lot of "fat letters", but I don't think much of him, as well.

    Chris
     
  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Most of the thick lettering is associated with the single squeeze method. I stand right there with you on thick lettering unless it is a MS coin with nice and full luster. In the multiple squeeze era of doubled dies class Vl is the one associated to thick devices. The minor ones do not show much. But the strong examples are very noticeable.
     
  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Can’t add anything useful to your question as I am not an error/variety collector. Just am glad to hear that coin collecting got you through a difficult time in your life. Glad that is behind you.
     
  10. PaNT3rA

    PaNT3rA Active Member

    I appreciate all the input guys. My main problem right now is no microscope and I'm severely limited on seeing really fine details clearly. I've taken some pictures of different dimes and a 57 Franklin, I'd like to post them to see if I'm over looking something. Really appreciate the help.
     

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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I am not seeing anything that says it is a Doubled Die. I do see a lot of circulation.
    At least in the Rosie's.
     
  12. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Neither of those coins exhibit a doubled die. Since, you're not afraid of books, the two volume set of the Cherrypicker's Guide would be a nice addition to your collection. Those two books have all the big doubled-die varieties you can ask for. Pictures too.
     
  13. PaNT3rA

    PaNT3rA Active Member

    Ok. Thank you. I've been reading different web articles trying to learn all about hub doubling, like the different classes, different severity of the doubling, also read up on machine doubling so I wouldn't get it confused. Now I'm just playing around with my bag of circulated silver coins and trying to apply what I've learned. It is nice to have this forum cause I also scroll around reading all the good information you guys provide.
     
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  14. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    My advice for a beginner is to start with higher grade (AU or Better) Lincoln Memorial Cents. You can purchase these in bulk at a small premium above face value. Then concentrate your search to RPMs (Repunched Mint Marks) only.

    This allows you to focus on a specific aspect of the coin design. While RPMs are not technically a doubled die they are created due to doubling of the Mint Mark. Although RPMs do exhibit some unique characteristics many are the same as those you look for in a doubled die. Once you are comfortable with RPMs - the transition of broadening your focus to the entire design searching for doubled dies will be a lot easier. Just my opinion.
     
  15. PaNT3rA

    PaNT3rA Active Member

    Thank you for the advice. I really haven't focused much on RPM's so I don't know much about them, sounds interesting. On a side note I have a lot of proof sets and mint sets as well, these circulated dimes are in my junk silver bag and I'm waiting for my coin microscope to come in the mail, I know that will make a world of difference.
     
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