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<p>[QUOTE="EyeEatWheaties, post: 1192963, member: 26972"]I should have added that I have hundreds of hi res VDB's that I can post. I bet I can match your coin - or at least I would like to try! What obverse characteristic are you seeing that you are finding as unique?</p><p> </p><p>You hit on a point that makes for a great debate. Especially since there apparently is some provenance to employees at the mint with your coin. I am very intrigued.</p><p><br /></p><p> The records of number of MPL's received in good and bad condition do not reflect what happened to the ones that were "bad". While there was a melting pot in the medal room, does everyone believe that every "bad" MPL was melted? Or is it more likely that they were thrown into the Business strike bin or some other scenario? What about coins struck as proofs that didn't even make it to the coiner?</p><p><br /></p><p>I am not going to touch on the subject of what happened to the MPL dies after being used for a run of proofs. It is said that in order for it to be a proof - it had to be the intent of the coiner to make it a proof. umm ok lets prove intent. lol</p><p><br /></p><p>I think that it is a much safer assumption to say that there were many VDB Proofs that were hoarded, stowed/stashed, hidden away sans documentation for many reasons including the nefarious ones.</p><p><br /></p><p>The TPG's rely heavily on several die diagnostics for authentication. What to me seems strange about that is that what they are essentially saying is that the VDB MPL Obverse Die had deep scratches in it from the first coin struck. </p><p><br /></p><p>Really? The medal room just haphazardly scratched up the first die to be used on the first issue of a widely anticipated coin pressed specifically for collectors and certain dignitaries and pressed them anyhow? Really?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EyeEatWheaties, post: 1192963, member: 26972"]I should have added that I have hundreds of hi res VDB's that I can post. I bet I can match your coin - or at least I would like to try! What obverse characteristic are you seeing that you are finding as unique? You hit on a point that makes for a great debate. Especially since there apparently is some provenance to employees at the mint with your coin. I am very intrigued. The records of number of MPL's received in good and bad condition do not reflect what happened to the ones that were "bad". While there was a melting pot in the medal room, does everyone believe that every "bad" MPL was melted? Or is it more likely that they were thrown into the Business strike bin or some other scenario? What about coins struck as proofs that didn't even make it to the coiner? I am not going to touch on the subject of what happened to the MPL dies after being used for a run of proofs. It is said that in order for it to be a proof - it had to be the intent of the coiner to make it a proof. umm ok lets prove intent. lol I think that it is a much safer assumption to say that there were many VDB Proofs that were hoarded, stowed/stashed, hidden away sans documentation for many reasons including the nefarious ones. The TPG's rely heavily on several die diagnostics for authentication. What to me seems strange about that is that what they are essentially saying is that the VDB MPL Obverse Die had deep scratches in it from the first coin struck. Really? The medal room just haphazardly scratched up the first die to be used on the first issue of a widely anticipated coin pressed specifically for collectors and certain dignitaries and pressed them anyhow? Really?[/QUOTE]
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