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Coryv · Aug 27, 2019

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This appears to be machine doubling, a.k.a. "mechanical doubling", "machine damage doubling", "machine doubling damage", "strike doubling", "ejection doubling". The flat shelving along the edge of each letter is characteristic.
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I have a question for u if i may

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Jccc · Aug 29, 2019

Yes!

Cesar · Sep 3, 2019

Hi I was looking through my pennies and i came across these two pennies.They are 1989 is this a double die the

Jeremiah · Sep 12, 2019

Hi ! I'm from Philippines and I have 1984 D rare error one cent penny lincoln. I just want to ask, how much will it cost if i decided to sell it. I am hoping for your reply, thank you and God bless!

CHARLES ROSENBAUM · Sep 12, 2019

Jeremiah said: ↑

Hi ! I'm from Philippines and I have 1984 D rare error one cent penny lincoln. I just want to ask, how much will it cost if i decided to sell it. I am hoping for your reply, thank you and God bless!
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Depends on how much and is the coin rare. my self I use PayPal for all my transactions, and pics of the coin would be helpful.

Jeremiah · Sep 12, 2019

Okay sir i'll send you..

Moneyy · Sep 25, 2019

Hello guys I’m new here, still not sure how to use this site... hopefully I’m not interrupting anyone! Just wonder what that could be?

PennyTracker1980 · Jan 4, 2020

Hi all,
First time here so I apologize for posting in this forum as for some reason it says I have "insufficient privileges to post" in a new message. My daughter found a 2000-P penny that appears to be double struck. Evidenced by the borders and "trust" being incorporated in the border as well and "L" being closed the border. Just wanted to get some opinions on rarity, value if any, and input from the Masters who know way more than I.

Thanks.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YfyRQPPoWKiaZeNR6

MatrixMP-9 · Jan 8, 2020

PennyTracker1980 said: ↑

Hi all,
First time here so I apologize for posting in this forum as for some reason it says I have "insufficient privileges to post" in a new message. My daughter found a 2000-P penny that appears to be double struck. Evidenced by the borders and "trust" being incorporated in the border as well and "L" being closed the border. Just wanted to get some opinions on rarity, valu
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Sounds like a worn die. Nobody is going to see this here....make a new post with a title outside of this thread. this thread is set up to help people learn not post coins for opinions. Also, your photo doesnt exist in the attachment.

Cesar · Jan 8, 2020

ok thank you i tried doing a new post having problem with that

Budmann420710 · Feb 3, 2020

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How Doubled Dies are Created and Their Classes.

Determining Die Doubling from Other Forms of Doubling. (Requires Acrobat Reader)

Take the Doubling I.Q. Test.

Doubling: Worthless or Valuable?

What is an RPM or OMM?

Two exciting varieties to collect. Two formidable tasks that require a steady stream of knowledge, information and most importantly, help. If you decide to explore their potential enjoyment and challenge then here is some information and perhaps a little, help.

You should be familiar with the minting process before you dwell to deeply into acquiring RPMs and OMMs. It would be wiser to have more than just a cursory knowledge of the minting process of course, so it is recommend that you try to obtain a book or reference on this subject when you can.

RPM and OMM varieties are closely associated with the DIE as part of the overall minting process, so it is also highly recommended that you at least perceive how a die is created and obtain reference materials on this specific subject too. As you read this RPM and OMM information, you will understand the importance of gaining knowledge about the die-making process.

At the Mint, a die is created. When the die is almost finished by the mint workers there comes the task of placing the Mint mark on the die before it will be used to produce millions of coins (pre-1990).

The Mint employee who puts the Mint mark on the die is commonly referred to as the ENGRAVER. The engraver is sitting behind a counter or table. In front of him or her will be clamps or a device commonly know as a "vice". The die is secured between this clamp or vice so it will not move during the remainder of this process. On the table nearby, the engraver will have a detailed sketch or drawing of the coin design. On this drawing there will be a special highlighted area where the Mint mark is to be placed. By "area" we are referring to a specific designated place on the die that is much wider and longer than the actual size of a Mint mark. There is plenty of room or latitude for the engraver to work within. This latitude explains why you will find a "S" Mint mark say, for 1955 cents, in different locations under the date. For instance, on one die for 1955 S cents the Mint mark was placed just to the right or east under the "9" of the date. On another die the Mint mark is found directly under the "5" of the date. Both Mint marks are within the space or area shown on the sketch, yet in different locations therefore within the Mint "standards".

The Mint mark punch is typical of punches you can purchase at any hardware store. At the Mint, the shaft of the punches are color-coded by using different colors of paint so the engraver can easily determine which punch has the Mint mark of "D" or "S" and so on. The shaft of the punch is "V" shaped. This "V" shape grooving on the side of the shaft allows the engraver to readily "feel" that the punch is in the proper upright (or normal) position. At the end of the punch is the letter of the Mint mark in its normal size, shape, etc.

The engraver looks at the sketch and the location or area where the Mint mark is to be positioned or placed. Once the engraver is satisfied that the "V" shaped grooves are in his hand correctly and that the tip of the punch that has the Mint mark of "D" or "S", etc., is the proper position, the thick end or top of the punch is hit firmly by a mallet.

How hard is the punch hit? However hard the engravers experience, expertise, judgment and ability deems appropriate. How many times is the punch hit? However many times the engravers experience, expertise, judgment and ability deems appropriate. No one really knows the answer to this question. But one thing is for sure - Variety collectors can at least intelligently guess how hard and how many times. That's one of the primary reasons they collect these varieties in the first place!

It is generally accepted consensus of RPM and OMM collectors that the engraver strikes the punch with the mallet more than one time in order to assure that the Mint mark is sufficiently imprinted into the die face. However, it is equally noteworthy that many times the Mint mark is placed on the die with only one blow to the mallet in the opinion of some experts.

RPMs occur after the engraver strikes the mallet with the first blow to the top of the punch. Remember that the Mint mark punch is hand held and struck by the mallet in this manner. After the first blow, the engraver will check that the Mint mark has been placed inside the designated area that is on the sketch. A careful check will also be made to assure that the Mint mark punched into the die is clearly visible and sufficient enough for the coining process. If, in the judgment of the engraver, another blow with the mallet is required the punch is placed back on top to the original Mint mark and struck again, or again, or again, or .... until the engraver is satisfied. It is also possible that the initial blow from the mallet to strike the Mint mark could cause a "bounce" of the punch, thus creating a doubled, tripled, or more Mint mark punch.

The exact repositioning of the tip of the punch on top of the Mint mark already placed on the die requires a steady hand, keen eyesight, and solid nerves. If the Mint mark at the tip of the punch for the second strike is not positioned exactly on top of the existing Mint mark then a RPM has been created. If a third, fourth, fifth, six, etc., blows occur then multiples of the Mint mark can and have appeared. This inaccuracy is the foundation for the joy of searching for RPMs!

An OMM is a coin that has two (2) different letters or Mint marks punched into the same die. It is generally accepted by the RPM and OMM variety community that there are two primary reasons why a die would have two distinctly different Mint marks.

The first reason is premised upon economic measures instituted by the Mint. A die already has, say, a "D" Mint mark in the die. The die is in such a condition where it can continue to be used to produce coins, so a decision is made by the Mint to use the "D" Mint mark die for "S" Mint mark coins. It is ordered that a "S" be punched on top of the original "D". The "S" Mint mark coins with the "D" underneath are produced and a OMM is created for the collector!

The second reason is not associated with Mint policy, practices, or cost-saving efforts, but rather, a unintentional mistake by the engraver. Remember that the punch the engraver used is colored so they would know which punch had a "D", "S" etc. Picture that the engraver has a die which requires a "D" Mint mark. The "S' punch is unintentional picked-up and the blow by the mallet is struck. The engraver is checking this first blow to be assure it is inside the area shown on the sketch. The engraver sees the "S" Mint mark was used and not the "D". An error has occurred. Instead of discarding the die the engraver simply takes the correct "D" Mint mark punch and "covers" his mistake with it via several blows to the mallet. No harm done. The die is usable for its life in the coining press.

Conversely, the engraver may not even notice that a "S" has been placed on the die intended for a "D". An interruption, break, lunch, etc., and the engraver returns to the task at hand. Pick-up the colored punch with the "D" Mint mark and strike one or more blows to the mallet without looking at the original or error "S" Mint mark that is showing. The engraver unintentionally made a mistake and never knew it. If the engraver did look and did see the "S" no one but the engraver will ever know.

RPMs and OMMs come in many different forms and configurations. No in-depth discussion of these attributes is necessary right now, but for your enjoyment of "the hunt", RPMs and OMMs can be found in a vertical over horizontal position: a vertical over inverted position: on top or under the number (s) of the date: with two totally separated Mint marks: even tilted: and, the overlapping of a Mint mark once or several times in succession.

If terms such as "inverted" or "vertical" or "tilted" seem confusing, even contradictory, when thinking of the engraver sitting there at the bench with the punch in hand that is waiting to be struck by the mallet then welcome to the great realm of RPM and OMM collecting! Whatever you do, don't fret over the terms.

Lastly, don't forget that since 1990 the Mint mark has been made directly on the die. There will be no true RPMs and OMMs from 1990 to the present. No big deal, though. There are thousands and thousand out there in variety-land just waiting to be collected and discovered... by you!

- by George Wilkinson
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I need help with a 1946 dd no mint penny that has been struck right above the eye

Colbyjay661 · Feb 5, 2020

Do you think this 74 denver dime ddr is worth something or a possible discovery i found it today the doubling goes all the way around

desertgem · Feb 5, 2020

No, I see no doubled die effect. If you are talking about the dark area around the outside of the D , that is normal. The sides can not be perfectly vertical as the die would have trouble coming up from the strike and not really damaging the lettering and devices due to the rapidity of striking, SO the sides of the die are angled slightly inward __/ \__ so when they hid the die the bottom is slightly wider than the top. The light hitting the slop is reflected sideways making it appear to be darker. Most USB microscopes do not have enough resolution to make it appear correctly.

Maybe this photo will help. Now only the mm is 'doubled' as in RPM, and you probably can see that easily. Now look at the date. Do you see a Doubled die? No , the outline around the numbers is flat, so it is MD there.

Lighting for USB cameras under 5 mp is extremely important as the software will fill in 'fake' pixels if the magnification overwhelms the resolution. The above photo was handheld Canon PS590 8mp with accessory +10 closeup lens as I recall, but it was quite a few years ago. Jim

Rj holtz · Feb 17, 2020

Im new to all this just started coin hunting can some help me out I don't know if this is doubling or not

Rj holtz · Feb 17, 2020

On the reverse side if you blow up the picture u can see doubling on the right side of the U and the left side of N In the woud unum and on the other side its all over in the god we TRUST

Houston22689 · Mar 5, 2020

How do I get to post in forums and how to post pictures I'm confused.

Houston22689 · Mar 5, 2020

Someone please explain how to use this site successfully. Lol

Coins4me7 · Mar 9, 2020

Okay so reading this helped me understand and I’m going to have to get a better magnifying glass, however I still can’t see the double profile & dome on this 1963 5 cent coin. The cardboard flip also list “extra step, whiskers, etc.” Any ideas

Joe Lopez · Mar 14, 2020

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I have a 1940 1944 1945 1955 1966 1969 d s n no mint how much can I sell wheat pennies for?

Joe Lopez · Mar 14, 2020

I have 1940 44 45 55 66 69 n wheat pennies how much are they worth

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