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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 8215625, member: 19463&quot;]I believe the problem is that there are a number of well financed, new collectors who see an improvement in such coins just like they do when they expect from&nbsp; repaired oil paintings or reassembled statues.&nbsp; Some might tolerate tooling that strengthened a few letters but changing the hairstyle or even the ID of the person shown would be less acceptable.&nbsp; I can see the&nbsp; Faustina face shown here what she might have looked like had she lived another twenty years.&nbsp; Perhaps w should be glad they did not redo the legends and call the coin Manlia Scantilla.&nbsp; The toolers who committed these atrocities obviously had no feel for the style of the coins they were &#039;improving&#039;.&nbsp; What worries me more are their co-workers who do have some clue as to what the original coin looked like.&nbsp; If this sort of thing is OK with major dealers as long as they flag the coin as such, what is the next step?&nbsp; Should we expect to see that Ptolemy offered again soon with a provenance listing the fact that the coin is ex. CNG?&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I just looked up CNG 178, 47 and got this:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=116288" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=116288" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://cngcoins.com/photos/small/1780047.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a>&nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p><a href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=116288" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=116288" rel="nofollow"><b>178, Lot: 47.</b> Closing Dec 12, 2007 at 9:47:00 AM ET. <b>PTOLEMAIC KINGS of EGYPT. Ptolemy II Philadelphos. </b>285-246 BC. Æ Obol (27mm, 17.37 g). Uncertain mint. Struck 285-265 BC.</a></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Estimate $200</p><p>Sold For $740 (This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.)</p><p><br /></p><p>If you click on that listing the detailed listing DOES include &#039;Tooled surfaces&#039;:</p><p><a href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=116288#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=116288#" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://cngcoins.com/photos/big/1780047.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><b>178, Lot: 47.</b> Estimate $200.</p><p>Sold for $740. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>PTOLEMAIC KINGS of EGYPT. Ptolemy II Philadelphos. </b>285-246 BC. Æ Obol (27mm, 17.37 g). Uncertain mint. Struck 285-265 BC. Laureate head of Zeus right / Eagle with open wings standing left on thunderbolt; shield before. Svoronos 610; Weiser 18; SNG Copenhagen 114. EF, brown and green patina. Tooled surfaces.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>From the Gregory Conlin Collection.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>You are too nice.<i>&nbsp; &#039;<b>Clearly</b> marked&#039; </i> would have been visible on the listing page, not requiring going to the details. These days too many people &#039;do&#039; shopping on little phone screens.&nbsp; Bids can be placed (BAD IDEA) without reading the details &#039;hidden&#039; on the next page.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Electrotypes are collectible in their own right rather like Paduans.&nbsp; We might question the prices paid but they were not made by the British museum to fool us but by a contract hourly worker (Robert Ready) augmenting his income:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG62820" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG62820" rel="nofollow">https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG62820</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Another reference pointed out that the issue price of the Ready electrotypes was 2s/6d.&nbsp; 30d (half a crown or 1/8 pound) was quite a bit of money in the day but he did good work. </p><p><br /></p><p>If it did not require moving to London, I could be interested in an hourly paid, non staff position that allowed me to make such copies.&nbsp; Them my collection would be very attractive.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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