Late Roman bronzes don't get much better than this

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  1. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Got a really small lot of 3 AE3 late 4th to early 5th century bronzes with a nice sandy look that are rather common but are such a pleasure to look at:

    Gratian.jpg
    Gratian (367-383)
    AE3 18mm 2.43g reduced centenionalis, minted at Antioch, cca. 380(?)
    DN GRATIA - NVS PF AVG; pearl-diademed draped cuirassed bust r.
    Roma seated front, head left, holding globe in her right hand, and holding partly-seen reversed spear with he left hand; θ in left field, φ over K in right field.
    ANTA in exergue
    cf. RIC IX Antioch 45a, S -- officina A is not listed in RIC for entry 45a.



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    Valentinian II (375-392)
    AE3 18mm 2.33g reduced centenionalis, minted at Antioch, cca. 380(?)
    DN VALENTINIANVS PF AVG; pearl-diademed, draped cuirassed bust r.
    Roma seated front, head left, holding globe in her right hand, and partly-seen reversed spear with her left hand, left leg bare; θ in left field, φ over K in right field.
    ANTB in exergue
    RIC IX Antioch 45b, C


    Besides the obvious eye appeal, there is also another aspect that is particularly pleasing about these two specs: they are both 1) struck during the same issue, possibly if not that same day maybe days from each other and 2) they were spent and kept afterwards together up to this day. The Gratian spec seems to be scarcer and unlisted, I haven't seen another example in Nummus Bible.
     
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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I love me some nice looking LRBs. Yours have a really nice sandy patina!
     
  5. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Those are great!
    ri146.jpg
    18mm. 2.6g
     
  6. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    And a Theodosius I to compliment the series, this time with the personification of Constantinopolis rather than Roma, RIC IX 47d with rosette-diademed bust. Unfortunately most of the desert filling was stripped away.

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  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I like this Arcadius that I picked up. I'm kind of a sucker for AE2's when I can find good examples.

    Arcadius, A.D. 395-408
    AE22, 5.7 grams, Antioch mint

    Obverse: D N ARCADI-VS P F AVG
    Rosette-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right

    Reverse: GLORIA ROMANORVM
    Emperor standing facing, head right, holding standard and globe

    Mintmark: ANT

    Reference: RIC IX Antioch 68C, pg. 294



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    Nice sand-patina coins @seth77 1
     
  8. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    This is one of a few LRBs that I own, but a nice one.

    Fausta, AE 18 of Thessalonica, 326-328 AD.

    D-Camera Fausta, gradient , AE 18, Thessalonica Mint, 326-328 AD, 12-14-20.jpg
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Does anyone recall a couple years ago when the large lots section of some CNG electronic sales included groups of up to a hundred very high grade LRB's? I always wondered where all those coins ended up.

    My favorite sandy coin is this Maximianus post reform radiate.
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  10. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    So many coins of that period are poorly struck, so it’s really nice to see some fine
    examples.
     
  11. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    There are two similar types with the same legend, as @seth77 noted. One has Roma seated helmeted head left, holding globe to our left
    (Type 15, http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/type15.html )
    Common for Gratian, Valentinian II, and Theodosius.
    Here is one for Gratian:
    GCA.jpg
    and
    the other has Constantinopolis helmeted seated head right, right foot on tiny prow, with globe to our right.
    (Type 16: http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/type16.html )
    Common for Gratian, Valentinian II, and Theodosius. Very rare for Arcadius. Here is one for Theodosius:

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    They are from 12 and 11 mints respectively, but, as noted above, the ones from Antioch often have nice light cover which makes the surfaces especially nice.

    For an illustrated list of all AE types from Valentinian through Theodosius II, see the page:
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/
     
  12. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Here's one of my favorite LRBs from the same era:
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    Theodosius I ("the Great")
    Augustus, A,D, 379-395
    (Bronze) AE II
    Constantinople mint, A.D. 383-388
    Obv: D N THEODO-SIVS P F AVG
    Rev: GLORIA RO-MANORVM - Emperor, standing on galley, facing right, holding globe; Victory at helm
    CONA in exergue; T in left field
    RIC 79(b)
    21mm, 5.3g
     
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  13. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Look at all that beading!
     
  14. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    The sandy look suit some of these really well. This one's my favorite Late Late Roman Bronze.

    Theodosius II - 3 emperors.jpg THEODOSIUS II
    AE4. 2.18g, 16.5mm. Constantinople mint, AD 406-408. RIC X Constantinople 144 (R4). O: DN THEODO-SIVS PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right, star behind. R: GLORI-A ROMA-NORVM, Honorius and Arcadius standing vis-a-vis holding spears and shields; between them, young Theodosius II standing holding a globe and spear with his head turned to the right; CONSB in exergue.
     
  15. JulesUK

    JulesUK Well-Known Member

    Here is one of my Gratian's @seth77 and it appears to be the same as yours, though my research had led me to RIC IX Antioch, 46b.....It`s my best looking Gratian of the three I own, though my favourite LRB by far is a Julian II which I have posted elsewhere in the past.

    47-Gratian Roma combo.jpg
     
  16. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Some collectors like to work on sets, defined to be some list of types meeting some criterion, such as "the twelve Caesars." If the definition is too encompassing, the set may be too large and then it lacks interest. Collecting all types of Antoninus Pius would be daunting, with over 1400 RIC numbers during his reign.

    That is one thing to like about late Roman AE from Valentinian and later. Each emperor has a limited number of types and you can hope to get most of them, although most rulers have a few rarities to keep you from easily completing his type set. To give you a feeling for how complicated it would be to collect the AE types of any late Roman ruler, Valentinian through Theodosius II, you can look here:
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/typesets.html
    You could print a copy of the table of types and check them off as you got them.
    Here is one of Gratian's types:
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    Gratian
    GLORIA ROMANORVM, galley
    AE2. 23-22 mm. 4.49 grams.
    RIC Nicomedia 25a2

    That whole site:
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/index.html
    has many resources for collectors. Look around and you will find lots of helpful pages. For example:

    How are the coins assigned dates? See here:
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/ricix/timeline.html

    I love late Roman AE!
     
  17. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I'm very glad that you are showing your examples of this type and similar contemporary types, they are all superior specimens that show why, despite some snobbery, late Romans are still a popular domain to research and study.


    @JulesUK I think your coin is the same variation of RIC 45a -- the differences between 45a and 46b are the head gear: 45a has pearl diadem instead of the rosette diadem of 46b and the bare leg of Roma: 45 has the left leg bare while 46 has the right leg bare. Although the details are a bit fuzzy on the bust of your specimen, I think it's probably a pearl diadem.
     
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  18. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Two examples from Siscia
    Gratian, Siscia, RIC 27a
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    Theodosius, Siscia RIC27d
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    Theodosius, Constantinople, RIC 57d
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  19. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Heres my favorite Theodosius from Siscia
    Theodosius I Siscia RIC IX 26c T3 (2020_11_18 03_38_31 UTC).JPG
    i really like the crouching figure on the rev with the radiate crown!
     
  20. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    And even some extant AE4 examples with desert patina are appealing to the eyes. This one is a mere 13mm -- a full 1/3rd smaller than AE3's.
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    Valentinian II (375-392)
    Antioch, (ca. 383-392), AE4 Nummus
    Obv: D N VALEN]TINIANVS P F AVG, diademed, draped and cuirassed bust r.,
    Rev: SALVS REI - PVBLICAE, Victory advancing l., holding trophy and dragging captive; in l. field, Tau-Rho; ex.: ANTA.
    Weight: 1.4 gr.
    Diam.: 13 mm.
    Attrib.: RIC 67a
     
  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I find one of the things about late Roman coins is the way they allow individual interpretation of what to collect. Compared to earlier coins there are relatively few major types so you can get one Falling Horseman, one Hut, one galley etc. and cover 90% of the types (yes, there are some great rarities that you will never see but we are talking about a good overview rather than a complete set). On the other hand, you can replace that single Falling Horseman with over 2200 variations of mint and legend details not to mention as many minor variations of devices if you look closely at things like theshields or attire of the figures. I know much less about RIC IX than about RIC VIII but one early impression is how the authors avoided having a book as thick as VIII by lumping many variation in field letters together under a single number explained with charts. We can choose if the coin below is a one and only coin of Valentinian or we can consider the hair dragging reverse or we can notice the mint and officina. A few of us will want to look at the three letter/symbols in the field and decipher the or assemble a collection of them all. All specialties allow a similar variation of how we define same and different. Late Romans have many variations to offer the person who looks closely. I do not find Late Romans as interesting today as I did a few years ago. That is not a problem with the coins but merely a choice I have had to make. You can't collect them all ----- or can you? ry7540bb2133.jpg
     
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