late Roman AE4s

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    Here is a cute AE4 of Arcadius (383-408). It is only 14 mm and 1.62 grams.

    pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Victory advancing left, head turned back, dragging captive. cross-rho in left field
    RIC IX Cyzicus 26c "28 August 388 - 15 May 392"

    RIC lists this type as "12-13 mm." Often the legend is crowded and the mintmark is not fully on the flan, but this one at 14 mm has room for it all.

    At Cyzicus this issue is shared with Valentinian II and Theodosius.

    Show us some late Roman AE4s!
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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Some folks would rather have a part legend mint state or an unworn coin with rough surface. Fortunately for us all, there are both kinds and coins like the Arcadius that combine the best of both worlds.

    The three then current emperors included two tall ones and one child.
    Arcadius AE4 Antioch

    As we get later, it seems harder to find coins with everything on flan. This coin is missing 95% of its CON mintmark but I was willing to overlook that considering all the legends that were present.
    Marcian AE4, Constantinople.
  4. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight I AM the Senate! Supporter

    Some rare ones:

    Galla Placidia, Western Roman Empire
    AE nummus
    Obv: D N GALLA PLA-CIDIA P F AVG, female, pearl-diademed bust right, wearing necklace and earrings
    Rev: SALVS REI-PVBLICE around cross, T in left field
    Mint: Rome
    Mintmark: RM
    Date: 425-437 AD
    Ref: RIC X 2111


    Majorian, Western Roman Empire
    AE nummus
    Obv: D N IVL MAIORIANVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped bust right
    Rev: VICTORI-A AVGGG, Victory advancing right, holding palm branch and trophy
    Mint: Milan
    Mintmark: MD
    Date: 457-461 AD
    Ref: RIC X 2642


    Libius Severus, Western Roman Empire
    AE nummus
    Obv: D N LIBIVS SEVERVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped bust right
    Rev: Monogram of Ricimer within wreath
    Mint: Rome
    Date: 461-467 AD (Libius Severus reigned 461-465 AD)
    Ref: RIC X 2715


    He technically isn’t “Roman” but the coin is in RIC so I figure this AE4 can be included as well.

    Odoacer, Kingdom of Italy
    AE nummus
    Obv: OD[O-VAC], bare-headed, draped bust right
    Rev: Odoacer's monogram (letters ODOVA: “Odovacar”) within wreath
    Mint: Ravenna
    Date: 476-493 AD
    Ref: RIC X 3502

  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Thanks for the post, @Valentinian . I always learn a lot from your succinct but detailed info... And, it is always great that you have a website to chase further into!

    Great looking Arcadius.

    Although, I do not focus in LRB's, I have a few AE4's.

    Late Roman Empire
    Flavius Victor 384-388 CE
    AE4 14mm 1.8g
    Aquileia Camp Gate Star SMAQS
    RIC IX 55b-2 LRBC1104

    423-425 CE
    AE4 Nummus

    450-457 CE
    AE4 11mm

    Theodosius II
    402-450 CE
    AE4 11mm
    Cross in Wreath

    Valentinian I
    364-375 CE
    AE4 Nummus
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    How does RIC handle 9-10mm coins? Would that still be an AE4, or is this another denomination?

    476-491 CE
    2nd reign
    AE 10mm

    Valentinian III
    425-455 CE
    AE 9mm
    Rome mint

    Oops, and found another AE4

    Constantius II
    337-361 CE
    AE 4
    Emperor stndg holding globe
  7. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Valentinian II
    image(2).jpg Arcadius
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  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Lovely Arcadius. These bifocal-defying little coins aren't usually so well struck or well-preserved.

    Here, for example, is my nicest Arcadius AE-4:

    Arcadius Cyzicus AE-4.jpg
    Arcadius, AD 383-408
    Roman Æ half-centenionalis; 1.15 g, 14.2 mm
    Cyzicus, AD 388-392
    Obv: D N ARCADIVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust, right
    Rev: SALVS REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left, with right hand carrying trophy over shoulder and dragging captive with left; ⳨ in left field, SMKΓ in exergue
    Refs: RIC 26(c); LRBC 2578; RCV 20851.
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    I believe Leo and Salus were cartoons!

    RI Leo I 457-474 CE AE 4 10mm Salus Emp stdg hldg Globe and Standard
  10. bcuda

    bcuda Well-Known Member

    A couple of my AE4 coins.

    IMG_7119 (2).JPG This one does not even weigh 1 gram.
    Theodosius I
    379-395 AD.
    AE 4, Cyzicus.
    pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed
    bust right.
    Rev: VOT/X/MVLT/XX within wreath
    Mintmark SMKB .92 grams
    Cohen 68. RIC IX Cyzicus 21c

    IMG_7124 (2).JPG
    Magnus Maximus
    Aug 25 383-Aug 28 388 AD
    Fifth period.
    Obv: Bust right pearl diademed, draped,
    Cuirassed. D N MAG MAXI MUS P F AVG
    Campgate with four rows, two turrets,
    No doors, star above, top and bottom rows
    Empty blocks con in exurge
    AE4 1.16 grams
    RIC IX 29a
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  11. bcuda

    bcuda Well-Known Member

    Here is another one

    Have not attributed this one yet.

    Theodosius I
    379-395 AD. AE4
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  12. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Here's my best Arcadius AE4, I quite love it

    Arcadius, AE4 - Heraclea mint, 1st officina, c. AD 383
    DN ARCADIVS PF AVG. Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right
    VOT / V within wreath, SMHA at exergue
    1.27g, 14mm, 12h
    Ref : RIC IX # 18b, LRBC II # 1964

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  13. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Trajan Decius

    Arcadius AE 4s. Arcadius AE2 (5.7 grams) at bottom







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  14. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    Here is an AE4 of Theodosius (379-395) of the same issue as the OP coin:

    13 mm. 1.24 grams.
    RIC Cyzicus 26b (if the mint mark is SMKΓ--too bad it is weak)
    Esty Type 39 on this site:
  15. Valens

    Valens Well-Known Member

    A few of my coins. I have a lot of coins from the V / V century so I chose only a few.

    The first coin is AE2! Valentinian III. Why do they have beards?
    RIC X, 461 (R4) c.437, Constantinople ??? (but maybe Chersonesus?)

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  16. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    As usual, the best AE4 is an AE2 and the best AE2 is two AE2s.

    Theodosius II from Crimea 22x18mm 4.22g

    Valentinian III from Crimea 22x19mm 4.90g

    In RIC, Kent dates this coinage tentatively to 437, Grierson in "Catalogue of late Roman coins in the Dumbarton Oaks Collection and in the Whittemore Collection: from Arcadius and Honorius to the accession of Anastasius, Dumbarton Oaks, 1992" dates it, also tentatively, in 426. Without hoard studies and knowledge about the circulation of the type along other coins of the 5th century, these dates are rather hard to either confirm or disprove.

    I'm almost certain this is a local coinage of Crimea.
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  17. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark standing on the shoulders of giants Dealer

    well this one is also an AE2 that I have also recently posted, but it is currently one of my favorites, so everyone gets to see it again...sorry.

    Valens campgate.jpg

    Valens, Eastern Roman Empire (AD 364-378). AE2 (22mm, 4.43 gm, 5h). NGC XF★ 5/5 - 3/5. Trier, AD 367-375. D N VALEN-S P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust of Valens right, seen from front / GLORI-A ROMA-NORVM, campgate with six rows, two turrets, no doors; S above, SMTR in exergue. RIC IX 29b.

    here's an AE3 that is not in RIC


    Aelia Eudoxia
    A.D. 395- 404
    15x16mm 2.0gm
    AEL EVDO-XIA AVG; pearl-diademed and draped bust right being crowned by manus Dei.
    GLORIA RO-MANORVM; Eudoxia seated facing, hands on breast, being crowned by manus Dei ; cross in right field.
    In ex. SMHΔ
    RIC X Heraclea –
  18. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    I have a few small bags of these tiny late coins, but here are the ones I have imaged for my "official" collection

    Flavius Victor
    Flavius Victor campgate.jpg

    Arcadius / CONCORDIA AVGG cross
    Arcadius cross ae4.jpg

    Johannes AE4 victory captive.jpg

    Theodosius II cross in a particularly cute style
    Theodosius ii cross wreath ANT D.jpg

    Marcian - not 100% complete but rarely seen this nice
    Marcian Monogram 5a.jpg

    Leo / monogram
    Leo I monogram CON.jpg

    Leo / lion (bearded portrait?)
    Leo I Lion left CON.jpg

    Leo / "poor man's Verina"
    Leo AE4 Verina.jpg

    Zeno / monogram
    Zeno nummus monogram.jpg

    Anastasius - the last "Roman" coin
    Anastasius monogram ae4.jpg
  19. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    The small module copper did continue to be struck even after Rome ceased to exist in the west

    Ostrogoths, Athalaric
    Ostrogoths Athalaric nummus.jpg

    Vandals, anonymous? Chi rho in circle
    ZomboDroid 26102019213555.jpg

    Vandals, Hilderic
    Vandals Hilderic nummus cross.jpg

    Maybe Hilderic?

    Justinian made a small assortment after his conquest of Carthage

    Chi rho
    Justinian nummus carthage chi rho.jpg

    CN = Carthage nummus
    Justinian nummus carthage CN.jpg

    The last Vota - Vot XIII
    Justinian nummus carthage VOT XIII.jpg
  20. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    It's not as late in the game as some of the other coins posted here, but this AE4 of Magnus Maximus is one of my favorite coins.

    magnus maximus400.jpg MAGNUS MAXIMUS
    AE4. 0.9g, 14mm. Arles (Arelate) mint, AD 383-388. RIC IX Arelate 29a1. O: D N MAG MAXI-MVS P F AVG, diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right. R: SPES RO-MA-NORVM, campgate with star between two turrets; SCON in exergue.
  21. ycon

    ycon Well-Known Member

    Galla Placidia

    (died 450 AD).AE 12.5 mm. Rome mint.Obv. [DN GALLA PLACIDIA PF AVG]. Pearl-diademed and draped bust right.Rev. SALVS REIPVBLICE. Cross; in right field, P; in exergue [RM].RIC 2112 (R4).AE.g. 1.08 mm. 12.50
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