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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1689392, member: 66"]No a die state such as a crack progressing from a small crack to a larger crack to a retained cud to a full cud would all be different die stages of the same die variety.</p><p><br /></p><p>Part of the problem is because once again we've gotten sloppy with the language and we are using one word to mean something that should be represented by a different word or term.</p><p><br /></p><p>What we call die varieties should technically be called die marriages. A "die variety" is actually a variation in the design of a particular die (singular) and this die may be paired with one or more dies to form different die marriages. For example the three error reverse of 1801 cent (U of UNITED punched in upside down then corrected, one wreath stem missing, 1/000 fraction) is a die variety (three error) that is paired with two different obv dies, to create two die marriages S-218, and S-219.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then there is die state and die stage. Once again technically die state refers to the amount of wear a die has received. Die stage refers to discrete steps in the life of the die. </p><p><br /></p><p>A new die starts out with sharp crisp details and as it is used the details wear and start becoming blurred and "fuzzy", and in the late state the rims/denticals become blurred and worn, with lettering or stars drawn out toward the rims.</p><p><br /></p><p>A new die also starts out as it comes from the engraving department typically with no cracks or surface marks. As it is used it can accumulate die clashes, die chips, cracks, or cuds. Also the clash marks can wear away, or be polished off. Die chips can also wear away or be polished off. these features can appear at any time during the use of the die and at any die state. It is possible to have a Early die state, with a late die stage. Say a new die that has struck just a few coins when the die just goes BANG and a big chunk just breaks off. This die marriage would exist then in one die state, new and unworn, but two die stages, new and terminal. Or it can go the other way. If a die pair never clashes or cracks and it is used until the dies wear out you can have early, middle, and late die states, all with just one early die stage.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1689392, member: 66"]No a die state such as a crack progressing from a small crack to a larger crack to a retained cud to a full cud would all be different die stages of the same die variety. Part of the problem is because once again we've gotten sloppy with the language and we are using one word to mean something that should be represented by a different word or term. What we call die varieties should technically be called die marriages. A "die variety" is actually a variation in the design of a particular die (singular) and this die may be paired with one or more dies to form different die marriages. For example the three error reverse of 1801 cent (U of UNITED punched in upside down then corrected, one wreath stem missing, 1/000 fraction) is a die variety (three error) that is paired with two different obv dies, to create two die marriages S-218, and S-219. Then there is die state and die stage. Once again technically die state refers to the amount of wear a die has received. Die stage refers to discrete steps in the life of the die. A new die starts out with sharp crisp details and as it is used the details wear and start becoming blurred and "fuzzy", and in the late state the rims/denticals become blurred and worn, with lettering or stars drawn out toward the rims. A new die also starts out as it comes from the engraving department typically with no cracks or surface marks. As it is used it can accumulate die clashes, die chips, cracks, or cuds. Also the clash marks can wear away, or be polished off. Die chips can also wear away or be polished off. these features can appear at any time during the use of the die and at any die state. It is possible to have a Early die state, with a late die stage. Say a new die that has struck just a few coins when the die just goes BANG and a big chunk just breaks off. This die marriage would exist then in one die state, new and unworn, but two die stages, new and terminal. Or it can go the other way. If a die pair never clashes or cracks and it is used until the dies wear out you can have early, middle, and late die states, all with just one early die stage.[/QUOTE]
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