Featured Large Cent struck on Defective Planchet

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    I just bought this coin. Some had claimed that it was fake or a garage job, so I decided to buy it and examine it in hand.

    This coin had a planchet defect that was hidden under the surface. It circulated for years until it was in F condition. Then one day something fell on the reverse at 2:00. The coin was sitting on another coin, so there was a design transfer on the opposite side of the hit. This caused the coin to ring and resonate with such vigor that the planchet defect exacerbated and nearly broke the coin into two pieces. The two pieces hung by a thread, but a slight bending force caused the bridge to break. In an attempt to put the coin back into circulation, the owner tried to crimp the two pieces back together, but it did not hold. I find it truly amazing that the two pieces managed to stay together for 150 years.

    This is one of those rare coins where all of the marks and damage helps tell the story of this coin. Since I buy coins with interesting stories, this coin fits really well with my collection.

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  3. Inspector43

    Inspector43 70 Year Collector

    @paddyman98 posted a similar condition regarding a IHC.
    https://www.cointalk.com/posts/3272270/
    It looked like a defective planchet. To me it looked like the raw material had discontinuities or foreign material in the bar. See the link to that post.
     
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  4. 1916D10C

    1916D10C Key Date Mercs are Life! 1916-D/1921-D/1921

    Wow. Very cool but ouch. Hope that never happens to any of my coins!
     
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I’m not certain your hypothesis explains these indents here:
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  6. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Edit: I see how you attempted to account for the denticles.
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2018
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    Hey, two 1853 half cents are worth more than a single 1853 large cent, so... ;)
     
  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    My hypothesis is that the owner tried to crimp the halves back together so it could still be used in circulation.
     
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  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    You don't see it very often with US coins, but if you talk to some of the ancients collectors, they'll tell stories about coins breaking. The metal gets so old and brittle that the coin is very fragile. Handle it just the wrong way and it breaks.
     
  10. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    Yup. :(

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  11. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    Looks like it was hit with a hammer.
     
  12. BoonTheGoon

    BoonTheGoon Grade A mad lad

    So thats why that one coin my grand dad had has a large crack through it. I should be careful while handling it then. I think it was an old roman coin or somthing like that.
     
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  13. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    The break-away pattern seems to be consistent with a lamination error / planchet flaw, as opposed to a sheering force by way of sabotage. But, I'd be interested to see what the TPGs would say if you ever send it in for grading.
     
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  14. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Wow. You should be one of those crime scene investigators.... I love the way you put the pieces of the coins story together.... It may jut be my old eyes, but I am not seeing the design transfer on the reverse. Where is that?
     
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  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    I actually want to be an air crash investigator with an airline or the NTSB.

    I did a similar analysis here:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/authenticating-exceedingly-rare-chinese-coins.321153/

    It is on the obverse between 4:00 and 5:00. This correspond to the hit on the reverse at 1:00 to 2:00.
     
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  16. Randy Abercrombie

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  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I don't understand why this is a featured thread. What are the criteria for making something featured?
     
  18. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    If @Peter T Davis wants to feature it, it gets featured.
     
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  19. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    How do you know that PTD wanted it featured? I don't see that anywhere? As far as I know, any mod can choose to feature a thread, and I really don't know what criteria they use. I'm not saying yours is a bad thread, I'm just trying to figure out why its a Featured Thread.
     
  20. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random nobody...

    Because I got a notification that PTD featured the thread.
     
  21. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Well, that's cool! Congrats.

    That raises the obvious question, in my mind, why was this thread chosen above others to be featured, @Peter T Davis What criteria do you or the mods use to choose a "featured" thread?
     
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