Large Cent Attribution

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This is helpful for the 1798s: http://www.cointalk.com/t108813/

 

I'm leaning toward S-160 if the lines above ER aren't my imagination.

 

1817 No center dot, low T in CENT, High A in STATES
Can't seal down the deal.

 

The 1817 looks like an N-5.

 

Sent the coin into NGC. Came back AU55

 

How do you get N5? I thought that had a minute center dot?

 

I don't see a center dot. Using the newcomb book - 6th star right narrows it down to N-1 thru N-5 and N-11 thru N-15, N-17. Now curl is over space between 1-7 - this narrows it down to N-1, N-2, N-5, N-12, N-17. Then start checking reverses - leaf to letters do not line up for N-1, N-2 - 10th berry right base of A on N-5. There you go - it could be N-12 or N-17, but I do not think the leaf to letters line up correctly. Plus N-17 has bunches of cracks and sounds like a different die state of N-5.

 

Thanks, I looked up N5. which mentions a small center dot. That's what I was referring to. Is the 1817 N5 an R1?

 

You have a nice collection of coppers, HULLCOINS, and it spans various large cent types from what I can see.

You will find that half of the fun is attributing them. I have the Breen Encyclopedia of large Cents 1793-1814, and use that for attribution of the early dates. It is not always easy, but am getting better at it. Attributing the later dates seems much more difficult as the differences between die varieties are sometime minute, but for that we have some real experts in C.T
BTW, finding U.S early large cents in my part of the world is not easy, but they do occasionally come up and every time I find an interesting variety it is a thrill.

 

I come up with N-5 on the 1817 as well. It's an R-3.

The 1816 is N-4, R-2.

 

1817 n-4 r-2.

 

I caution those using the Breen images. I know of at least one, and I think more, which have a wrong image for the coin described due to publication error. Of course I could be recalling the same wrong image after several searches.

 

There are a few wrong images in the Breen book unfortunately.

 

Can you be more explicit, page(s)?

 

The list of duplicate pictures I have, which I did not generate and have not verified, is as follows:

1794 B.4b (S-20) and B.5 (S-21) (wrong picture for S-21)
1796 B.12 (S-108) and B.13 (S-107) (wrong picture for S-107)
1798 B.36 (S-175) and B.37 (S-179) (wrong picture for S-179)
B.43 (S-182) and B.44 (S-183) (wrong picture for S-183)

Just got home and checked through my book, these pictures are duplicates. The first Sheldon number has the correct picture, the second Sheldon number has an incorrect duplicate picture.

 

I'm sure I ran across it each time I looked at my S-183. Then again when I looked at my S-179.
Nice list.

 

Thank you beef1020 for listing the erroneous entries/pictures in Breens book.
Now I understand why I was unable to discern between S-107 and S-108 while trying to attribute a coin here a short while ago. I have duly noted your comments and will insert these in my book.

Regards,

Eduard