Langbord-Switt 1933 Double Eagle Case

"Langbord Case FINALLY Decided Correctly!"


I totally disagree.

 

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... and perhaps your check from Midge Rendell is in the mail, right? An en banc Circuit Court decision of 9-3 after a 1-2 (to keep the order consistent) panel decision was vacated is pretty compelling stuff. There is only one possible, but unlikely-to-be-granted appeal left -- The United States Supreme Court. This is very likely the end of the legal road, and it establishes a final legal precedent. Anyone who "has seen" 1964-D Peace dollars out there had better keep it on the down-low. (Daniel Carr's version excepted.)

Any subsequent cases can be "shoehorned" into the 3rd Circuit because the main Mint is there, just a three to five minute walk across Independence Mall. Jurisdiction is a slam dunk. Stick a fork in it - this case is DONE as are any cases with a similar fact pattern. Oh, and getting any other 1933 $20's offshore is also criminal. It's called smuggling.

 

Well, I guess you won't want to deal with about half of the collectors on the NGC and PCGS coin forums because that seems to be about the proportion who disagree with you. I haven't bothered to read the case specifics but there are many on both forums who are familiar with it and many more who have followed it a lot more closely than I have.

There are two lengthy threads covering this topic on the PCGS coin forum and a shorter one on NGC. I haven't read the second on PCGS but there are certainly at least a few very knowledgeable about this case who disagree with your claims. To my knowledge, RWB is one of them and though he may be wrong, I don't believe he is intentionally biased.

As for illegalities, depends what they are. Something is only illegal simply because any government (somewhere, anywhere) makes it so through statute, case precedent or administrative fiat. This in and of itself doesn't mean anything otherwise.

 

Rationale? At least the Court gave its rationale, Frank. Come on, this is your big opportunity. Fill the room with your intelligence.

 

Well now, that's a downright astute observation on your part there @World Colonial. Well done! I don't have a very high opinion of most posters on NGC's forum, and you'll NEVER see me darken PCGS's metaphorical door - too self-impressed all around.

I work in and around THE LAW (legislative variety) as my profession. We write laws. Actual language I personally have written verbatim has become law, so I respect that profession more than a bunch of self-dealing bullion hawkers. Are we clear? Are we CRYSTAL clear?

Your line, "I haven't bothered to read the case specifics" tells me all I need to know. I read it all, every word, even the dissent and the concurrence. How many on PCGS' ignorance spouting board do you suppose can say that?

 

"RWB" was a trial witness for the Langbord's. You better believe he's biased, he has his testimony on the line.

 

Question...Are the 1913 Liberty nickels next? By this reasoning they obviously should be. I mean, at least 5 planchets were illegally converted to coinage.

The idea that these coins have been publicly traded for 100 years should have no bearing on the case. Confiscate the coins and string up the owners!

 

What a simple mind. You ought to be a judge.

 

i just read the NGC forum. Main takeaway? People named Mark Feld should stick to coins and stay away from legal commentary. "Do not try this at home."

 

FWIW, I believe the government SHOULD go after all 5, but they won't. Legally they would probably be barred by "laches".

 

So point out the differences. And remember, I'm simple minded.

 

FWB and his testimony was UTTERLY UNIMPORTANT to the Circuit case. His name was never mentioned in it. Other experts were named, however. Why do we grant what FWB said, and apparently continues to say, so much importance, when it deserves none, both past and present?

 

So, 100 years is too long to express a claim, but 80 isn't. Good to know.

 

I will. The government has never even briefly stopped chasing down the 1933's. They've allowed the 1913's to be traded without ever attempting to recover. Laches.

 

No that's not the issue. Continuous attempts to recover is what matters, not the number of years. But then again, you're a smart fella, and you're just joshing me, right?

 

There was a successful recovery of a stolen 1913 Liberty Nickel.

It was made in Hawaii by Det. Steve McGarrett of "Hawaii Five-O".

 

OK. You're right about what you said. Is that simple enough, or do I need to slow down?

 

Yeah and at that point they were only worth $100,000

 

The new cast needs to reprise that episode.

 

I have to respect every opinion on this because even after reading almost every word, from the start of the case, it's over my head.
I figured the Langbords had hopes of some kind of deal at the end of all the legal stuff. Don't guess that's going to happen at this point. I wonder what all the lawyers got paid. It has to be in the millions.