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<p>[QUOTE="GoldFinger1969, post: 2135661, member: 73489"]My point is I believe the Langbord's -- certainly Joan -- knew about the coins. No way somebody has 10 gold coins -- Saints or otherwise -- in a safe-deposit box and isn't aware of them. Well, maybe Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b><i>Izzy Switt had the coins and KNEW that they would be seized. Pre-Farook and pre-exchange policy knowledge, NOBODY with a 1933 could PROVE they obtained it legally (i.e., by an exchange).</i></b></p><p><br /></p><p>Ownership of gold was ILLEGAL, 1933 or 1932 or 1931 or Saint or non-Saint, whatever. Only numismatic coins could be held. A new 1933 would not qualify as having numismatic value, even if worth $35-$40 to a guy in Philly or NY.</p><p><br /></p><p>So....since the BURDEN OF PROOF was on Switt/Langbord and anybody else with a 1933 DE, and unless you had a signed certificate (like the Farook coin) implying you got the coin WITHOUT THEFT INVOLVED, any ownership of a 1933 Saint-Gauden Double Eagle was assumed to have been the product of theft.</p><p><br /></p><p>Unless you had a certificate -- or a Movietones movie reel showing you doing a DE exchange -- you were in trouble. Even if it was possible or probable that you could point to an exchange, you needed PROOF. <span style="color: #0000ff"> <b>Even saying that you took a special trip to the Philly Mint from New York each year from 1923-1933 in January or February or March or whenever they were awaiting release to exchange some older Saints for a brand-new one would NOT cut it.</b></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">You had to have PROOF that the coin was legal or the government would use ALL their resources to get it back.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Look at what Jay Fenton went through to get the coin...and it was worth millions.....when Switt owned his coins, they were only worth a few hundred bucks, maybe a few thousand in the late-1940's. <b><i>Who's going to risk arrest, jail-time, and huge legal expenses back then ? Your legal expenses would dwarf your gain on the coins unless you had hundreds or thousands of them which nobody did.</i></b></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The strangest thing in this whole saga to me is why the Langbord's sent all 10 coins to the Treasury for identification purposes. I would have sent 1 and hid the other 9. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GoldFinger1969, post: 2135661, member: 73489"]My point is I believe the Langbord's -- certainly Joan -- knew about the coins. No way somebody has 10 gold coins -- Saints or otherwise -- in a safe-deposit box and isn't aware of them. Well, maybe Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. :D [B][I]Izzy Switt had the coins and KNEW that they would be seized. Pre-Farook and pre-exchange policy knowledge, NOBODY with a 1933 could PROVE they obtained it legally (i.e., by an exchange).[/I][/B] Ownership of gold was ILLEGAL, 1933 or 1932 or 1931 or Saint or non-Saint, whatever. Only numismatic coins could be held. A new 1933 would not qualify as having numismatic value, even if worth $35-$40 to a guy in Philly or NY. So....since the BURDEN OF PROOF was on Switt/Langbord and anybody else with a 1933 DE, and unless you had a signed certificate (like the Farook coin) implying you got the coin WITHOUT THEFT INVOLVED, any ownership of a 1933 Saint-Gauden Double Eagle was assumed to have been the product of theft. Unless you had a certificate -- or a Movietones movie reel showing you doing a DE exchange -- you were in trouble. Even if it was possible or probable that you could point to an exchange, you needed PROOF. [COLOR=#0000ff] [B]Even saying that you took a special trip to the Philly Mint from New York each year from 1923-1933 in January or February or March or whenever they were awaiting release to exchange some older Saints for a brand-new one would NOT cut it.[/B] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]You had to have PROOF that the coin was legal or the government would use ALL their resources to get it back. Look at what Jay Fenton went through to get the coin...and it was worth millions.....when Switt owned his coins, they were only worth a few hundred bucks, maybe a few thousand in the late-1940's. [B][I]Who's going to risk arrest, jail-time, and huge legal expenses back then ? Your legal expenses would dwarf your gain on the coins unless you had hundreds or thousands of them which nobody did.[/I][/B] The strangest thing in this whole saga to me is why the Langbord's sent all 10 coins to the Treasury for identification purposes. I would have sent 1 and hid the other 9. :D[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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