Landed another whale!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Aug 4, 2020.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    While not excessively rare, this type is in high demand for the Ivdea Capta reference. I drooled over this one for a few weeks before I finally decided I had to have it. I just decided that if I was going to con tin with Flavian denarii then I had to have one like this. I had a RIC 2, but I sold it. That is the one with Judea and the trophy. It is s nice type and an iconic Flavian coin, but I really wanted one of these. I missed the last one on Ebay a few months ago.

    As for the coin itself, I quite like the portrait and seeing the bound hands behind Judea is interesting as well.This coin will occupy an important spot in my collection.

    Please show your Judea capta coins or other coins depicting a "conquered" people.

    Vespasian AR denarius, Rome mint, c. 21 Dec 69 - early 70 A.D.;
    (18.1mm 3.20g die axis 180o),
    Obv: Laureate head right; IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG,;
    Rev: Judaea or Jewess seated right on ground at foot of palm tree behind her, her hands bound behind and tied to the tree, IVDAEA in exergue;
    NGC| Lookup
    NGC VG, strike 4/5, surface 4/5 (5768937-002),
    RIC II-1 4 (R), Hendin 1480, BMCRE II 43, Hunter I 20, RSC II 229, SRCV I 2297, BnF III -,
    V4 FAC.jpg
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Very nice! If you keep landing all these whales there won't be any left in the ocean! :p

    I've shared this coin before but I really like it and I just finished taking "hopefully" better pictures of it. It also fits with the theme by being Vespasian's son :)

    Titus
    AE 20
    Judaea Capta
    Minted at Caesarea Maritima
    Obverse: AYTOKΡ TITOΣ KAIΣAΡ, laureate head right
    Reverse: IOYΔAIAΣ EAΛΩKYIAΣ, Nike standing right, foot on helmet, inscribing shield attached to palm tree
    ex: Warren Esty
    Titus Judea Capta.png
     
  4. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Orfew:
    Much rarer than the "usual" type below! Nice catch!
    VespDenJudCap.jpg
    Vespasian. 69-79 AD. AR Denarius (19x17mm; 3.35 gm; 6h). "Judaea Capta" issue. Struck 69-71 AD. Obv: Laureate head right. Rev: IVDAEA in exergue, Jewess, in attitude of mourning, seated right; trophy behind. RIC II 2; Hendin 1479; RSC 226
     
  5. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Supporter! Supporter

    I don't have a Ivdea Capta to share, but I would just like to point out that this month of August is the 1950th anniversary of the capture and destruction of Jerusalem and his temple. Josephus claims that 1.1 million people were killed during the siege and 97,000 were enslaved.
    So it's nice seeing members sharing coins who commemorate those events.
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  6. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic Supporter

    Nice to see you got that one!

    And as far as other Capta types - how about this often overlooked Judaea Capta quadrans?


    V351.jpg Vespasian
    Æ Quadrans, 2.54g
    Rome Mint, 71 AD
    Obv: IMP VESPASIAN AVG; Palm tree
    Rev: P M TR PPP COS III; S C in field; Vexillum
    RIC 351 (R). BMC 618. BNC -. Hendin 1569.
    Acquired from numis-kimel, eBay, May 2019.

    Sure, the big flashy bronzes and pretty silver Captas get all the attention, but I'd wager the above quadrans passed through more hands than any of those.

    Struck the same year as Vespasian and Titus's joint Judean Triumph.
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Great coin, @Orfew ! Another super catch.

    Since I do not have a Captive coin, I will take a different tack. These are kinfolk of my Celtic heritage.

    My coin is a tribute to a sadly conquered people, their Leader, and her Family.

    The Iceni and those whom fought oppression and being captive...

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    Celtic Britain Iceni Boudicca 61 CE 1.03g Celt Hd r Celtic horse galloping Seaby 434 Scarce
     
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  8. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Rule #1: Be nice.
    Ancient coins are replete with violent depictions/"commemorations."
    So, I'm curious: What is your REAL point?
     
  9. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    The following are 2 sestertii of the Judaea Capta series, followed by several denarii commemorating the same.
    Also , the last is an Aegypto Capta denarius of Augustus, celebrating the defeat of Antony and Cleopatra and the fall of Egypt.

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  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Those are all absolutely stunning!
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & odd Moderator

    Great historic coin, @Orfew!

    Here's my old one. That small picture is all I ever had of it, and the ones on the NGC cert page are pretty wretched, too.

    @Aethelred owns it now.

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  12. Limes

    Limes Supporter! Supporter

    Congratulations @Orfew ! You don't see your type at auction often, indeed.

    Here's my 'usual' IVDAEA type:
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    But when it comes to conquering, and conquered people, I automatically think of Trajan:
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  13. svessien

    svessien Senior Member Supporter

    Congrats with the whale!

    Is the Judea Capta of Vespasian the first of its type, with regards to the reverse image? The reverse design keeps on showing up for 100-150 years I think?

    Here’s Lucius Verus with a miserably looking Parthian:

    Sear 5358 Lucius Verus.jpg
     
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  14. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Supporter! Supporter

    Maybe it's because English is my third language, but I don't understand your question.Or maybe I used the wrong word ? If so, sorry for that. But let me try to explain what I love to do on this forum : I'm more an historian than a numismatist. Taking past or present events and making a link with coins is my hobby. Ex. : July 10th a new comet in the sky; July 29th the anniversary of the accession of Gordian to the throne ; July 22nd a museum contest about the nicest butt ; July 21st the world junk food day ; August 2020 the capture of Jerusalem...etc. So it's nice when members take the time to show their coins related to those theme. That's my REAL point !:)
     
  15. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    I enjoyed my Jvdaea Capta denarius for many years. I recently sent it to CNG for auction in an effort to narrow & consolidate my collection :D.

    Judaea Capta denarius.jpg
     
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    July 10 is my birthday. I reckon I am the Great Comet! :D
     
  17. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

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    Trajan, Denarius, SPQR OPTIMO PRINICPI
    AR Denarius
    Trajan
    Caesar: 97 - 98AD
    Augustus: 98 - 117AD
    Issued: 112 - 114AD
    19.0mm 2.70gr 7h
    O: IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC PM TRP COS VI PP; Laureate head right, slight drapery over left shoulder.
    R: SPQR OPTIMO PRINCIPI; Arabia standing facing, looking left, holding branch and bundle of canes at feet, camel, left.
    Exergue: ARABADQ
    Rome Mint
    Aorta: 329: B5, O48, R56, T13, M2.
    RSC 26; BMC 474; RIC 244; St. 174.
     
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  18. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    That is a stunner. What a great coin.
     
  19. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    It took me a minute but I believe that the implication from Pete is that you thought that the capture and destruction of Jerusalem was “nice,” aka enslaving a bunch of Jews was a “good thing.”

    that’s certainly a stretch by any measure, and I think it’s unfair to say that to you.

    I for one knew exactly what you meant, as did most others I think.
     
  20. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Quite Incorrect. I was trying to imply that to us as coin collectors, a coin like the Judaea Capta type CONFIRMS an historical event, not "commemorate" it, with all the implications of that word. Yes, to the Romans, it did "commemorate" that awful event!
     
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