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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Drusus, post: 642867, member: 6370&quot;]I dont think you are a jerk GD, just wrong and prone to thinking you are always right <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Its okay to admit you might not know.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Its a pleasure to see people with a bit of common sense. Gives me hope that not all collectors just follow like lemmings what someone tells them is right or wrong. Coins cannot be improved? Wow...tell that to those people who do it, and do it well for a money. Not only can some coins be made nicer by cleaning...so called experts do it all the time and charge for it...and so called know it alls always tell people to go to those experts and not to do it themselves....or live with a ratty coin that any 4 year old can tell just needs some TLC. Boy would my collection suffer if I just wrote off every lovely coin that came into my possession simply because somone told me that if it doesnt come to me clean and perfect, it can never be improved ever!!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>certainly this coin:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://www.cachecoins.org/belgiuminsurection.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>would still be coated in the sticky goop it had on it when it came to me. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Anyone who does not think some ratty coins can be improved (some, not all) simply is ignoring all the before and afters from conservation experts. And forgetting their own advice which is often &#039;only allow experts to conserve coins&#039;...thus if experts are able to conserve a coin...certainly others could do if privy to that knowledge. Thus if one has ever seen a coin that has been improved, even by an expert, then the statement that a coin cannot be improved is simply wrong.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>GD asks how many times until he realizes he cant make a coin better...I would ask how many coins improved by careful conservation must be shown until he realizes he is flat wrong...If you have been here on this forum you will see that GD makes some posts that are bright and informative...and still other posts that make a person think WTF was he smoking!! (I wont go into the examples) He is human, he is flawed, he is biased...like anyone else here. IMO he has little information to impart in regards to conservation save &#039;dont do it&#039;...because this is what he would do.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>this is what I find...often the people saying &#039;dont do it&#039; couldnt advise you on any real cleaning process anyway...and those people who could wont inform you because they do it for a living and certainly they arent going to expose their methods. If you have no clue, but still want to be the guy who gives advice...just tell them &#039;dont do it&#039;...you are safe because these days people seem so frightened to even touch a coin let alone soak it. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The saddest part about it all is this useless advice is given to people who are often just trying to treat a coin that has developed problems. These people give all kinds of reasons why they will not impart any information that might help one conserve a coin that has developed BD or other problems...the best one by far is they dont want YOU to ruin YOUR coin...how frustrating must that be to a person who has a coin that has something as destructive as BD to hear someone tell them they know how to treat it but wont give the information out on how to help that coin &#039;for their own good&#039;...its absurd and sadly common practice...with the BD issue I realized that most of these guys simply dont know...never bothered to even test methods...like soft cotton scratching metal...one must simply rub a clean soft cloth across the face of a cheap coin to realize it doesn&#039;t scratch it...To refuse to inform people how to clean a coin properly probably causes far more coins to be ruined by people who will go ahead and clean a coin anyway...improperly because no one told them the right way.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Kudos to those people who dont give the canned response of &#039;dont clean it&#039; and instead offer up real tried and true answers to questions from people who have a ratty coin they might be able to improve... or people who are looking to test methods. Coin collecting is an expensive hobby so its completely understandable that you would want to DIY and avoid all the people out there trying to take a little for themselves...spend your money on coins and learn the best way to DIY... Some coins cannot be helped...certainly others can and anyone who says differently is simply ignoring the facts. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The best way to help collectors is to take it coin by coin...as some coins cannot be improved...others can. A blanket statement saying &#039;coins cannot be improved by cleaning&#039; is simply wrong and helps no one. I would love to get every tried and true method and post them to my site for anyone who needs it, along with the bad with warnings WHY its bad. that would be helping people.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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