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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;TomCorona, post: 641661, member: 17621&quot;]Other people however, especially those less well versed in the hobby, sometimes get the idea that playing around with your coins actually works and will improve them by reading threads like this. So occasionally it helps to present my point of view. Which by the way is pretty much the same point of view held by most experienced numismatists</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Doug,</p><p>I apologize for coming down on you the way I did. I could of done better and I respect your opinion as I do most of the folks in here. It is of obvious value. I don&#039;t apologize for the main point though, that being that it can and is done every day by a whole lot of people in the hobby. I think it&#039;s very frustrating to know that methods are used but so shrouded in apparent secrecy. I really don&#039;t understand it. You have to pry the information, and even then, you don&#039;t get much. I think if the responses would be more like &quot;I don&#039;t recommend this however....this is how it is done&quot;, type of answer, I think with that disclaimer, much, much more would be accomplished or &quot;taught&quot; so to speak, rather than the often obvious belittling of those that ask these questions, and after recieving that answer, I think that most people would then naturally ask, &quot;Well... why don&#039;t you recommend it?&quot;, THEN, one could decide for his or her self, and as a result, a friendlier dialogue is established and I think all are served better. I do understand you trying to perhaps protect the beginner, but I really don&#039;t think any beginner is going to take a high dollar coin and try and clean it without knowing as much as they can on the subject before they try, certainly without practicing on lesser coins first. </p><p>&nbsp; Also, you keep using these &quot;more experienced&quot;, &quot;those less versed&quot; and &quot;playing around&quot; (a reference to acting childish I guess) references that often, all by themselves, project condesention. I know I took it that way when I first came in here, and I gather, based on what I&#039;ve read in other&#039;s responses, that I&#039;m not the only one who sees it that way. I know you are much more &quot;experienced&quot; than I, very true, but it comes off seeming very pompous when one seemingly defends their idea more than the actualities. I&#039;ve learned a lot in my relatively short time that I&#039;ve started my interest in this hobby..for instance, I thought a proof was a really shiny coin, so I was pulling aside the shiniest, best conditioned ones (halfs) I could find. I got up to a pretty large pile of them before I realized what a proof actually was, seeing for myself it&#039;s obvious mirrored surface when I finally ran across one. I learned a lot of other things too and I imagine I will be forever learning so long as I am interested in the hobby. </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyway, you&#039;re obviously free to defend yours and &quot;most other more experienced&quot; collectors positions, as am I. Hopefully though,we can all do it more respectfully. I&#039;m probably the worst example of the respectful part but I am working on it. I just wish experienced minds were more open to different points of view. I am learning. What I haven&#039;t learned yet is this &quot;No!..No!...No!..never!..ever!&quot; concept. Maybe that&#039;s a good thing, not learning that I mean. Opinions are a very good thing but, sometimes &quot;Facts...just the facts Maam&quot;, are all I&#039;m after, then let me decide armed with those facts. There are ways to approach this &quot;improving eye appeal&quot; thing without all this mess, or so I would hope. It sure seems like the long way around, and I think a shorter route would be more beneficial to beginners. Have a good day.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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