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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2506241, member: 19463"]My only win in the recent CNG sale arrived today. I'm satisfied wit the coin but it raises many questions I find addressed with less than satisfying answers in references available to me. </p><p><br /></p><p>The coin is not scarce with several specimens shown online. It is listed in standard rferences but not all agree on details like denomination. Sear Greek 468 calls it a diobol or 1/6 stater. I prefer the latter since coins of Italy in the 5th century need not be forced into Athenian denominations. CNG and some other references call it a triobol which would make it a 1/4 stater and too light. Mine is a touch lighter than some at 1.17g (11mm diameter) but within reason to be a sixth stater. All references list the tripod as the obverse but my coin has fabric that makes me question which side was on the anvil when struck. I would like to see other specimens in hand to see if I see them in a similar way. It is very hard to see such things in photos. The legend on various specimens differ with some being retrograde (right to left) and others normal left to right. Mine is a weird mix of the two but not the only one I have seen with this situation. When Greek is written right to left, the letters should flip to a mirror image. Many letters are the same either way (AOVT etc.) but others are directional and should flip (BKPN). On this coin we see retrograde OPQ for Kroton but the P goes the wrong way. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]532441[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The other side is a curly wing Pegasus with larger qoppa which most references have no trouble accepting as meaning Kroton just as the qoppa on the tripod side did. To me the coin is likely an alliance issue with Corinth. The Pegasus is a dead ringer for small silvers of that city. Catalogs list many alliance issues of Kroton from the 5t century BC but most of them are neighboring Italian towns. I have a lot of studying to do before I am comfortable with the questions I see in this coin. If anyone has a reference that explains these matter (not just copies ID's from other references), I would appreciate the links or bibliographic reference).</p><p><br /></p><p>Below is a Corinth trihemiobol for comparison. There are closer matches but this is what I have. Show me your curly wing Pegasus coins.[ATTACH=full]532446[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2506241, member: 19463"]My only win in the recent CNG sale arrived today. I'm satisfied wit the coin but it raises many questions I find addressed with less than satisfying answers in references available to me. The coin is not scarce with several specimens shown online. It is listed in standard rferences but not all agree on details like denomination. Sear Greek 468 calls it a diobol or 1/6 stater. I prefer the latter since coins of Italy in the 5th century need not be forced into Athenian denominations. CNG and some other references call it a triobol which would make it a 1/4 stater and too light. Mine is a touch lighter than some at 1.17g (11mm diameter) but within reason to be a sixth stater. All references list the tripod as the obverse but my coin has fabric that makes me question which side was on the anvil when struck. I would like to see other specimens in hand to see if I see them in a similar way. It is very hard to see such things in photos. The legend on various specimens differ with some being retrograde (right to left) and others normal left to right. Mine is a weird mix of the two but not the only one I have seen with this situation. When Greek is written right to left, the letters should flip to a mirror image. Many letters are the same either way (AOVT etc.) but others are directional and should flip (BKPN). On this coin we see retrograde OPQ for Kroton but the P goes the wrong way. [ATTACH=full]532441[/ATTACH] The other side is a curly wing Pegasus with larger qoppa which most references have no trouble accepting as meaning Kroton just as the qoppa on the tripod side did. To me the coin is likely an alliance issue with Corinth. The Pegasus is a dead ringer for small silvers of that city. Catalogs list many alliance issues of Kroton from the 5t century BC but most of them are neighboring Italian towns. I have a lot of studying to do before I am comfortable with the questions I see in this coin. If anyone has a reference that explains these matter (not just copies ID's from other references), I would appreciate the links or bibliographic reference). Below is a Corinth trihemiobol for comparison. There are closer matches but this is what I have. Show me your curly wing Pegasus coins.[ATTACH=full]532446[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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