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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;cplradar, post: 7947295, member: 108985&quot;]BTW that is not a database.&nbsp; This misrepresentation of the facts <i><b>has been pushed by lying IP lawyers trying to get a huge score for decades and it fails EVERY TIME.</b></i></p><p><br /></p><p>This is the definition of taking, for example, all of Washington Irving&#039;s short stories and putting in in a single nice volume.&nbsp; THAT volume is copyrighted as to the design of and presentation of the data.&nbsp; Dropping all of Irving&#039;s texts on line in an searchable format, like project Guttenberg,&nbsp; is NOT copyrightable.&nbsp; My family has 3 generations of copyright experts.&nbsp; It is born and bread in my bone.&nbsp; If you want to, we can get on the phone right now with&nbsp; Eben Moglen and he can explain it to you.&nbsp; It will have to be off line though, because for me, I am done with this conversation.&nbsp; It gets dangerously close to a political conversation and those are banned.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regarding Krause data.&nbsp; The data itself, like any other data, is not copyrightable.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any images are.&nbsp; And parts taken verbatim from catalogues MIGHT be.&nbsp; The format and paging etc are.&nbsp; But the data is just data.&nbsp; You can&#039;t copyright facts, EVEN if they are printed in a copyrighted work.&nbsp; You have it backwards.&nbsp; The material is copyrighted.&nbsp; The database is not.&nbsp; Unless you want to recreate the entire body of knowledge from scratch, you are pretty much stuck without copyright of the underlining material.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know what rights they brought when they purchased the Krause books.&nbsp;&nbsp; But anyone can quote a catalogue, or a newspaper, or a book, and discuss them in writing or in other works.&nbsp; What you can&#039;t do is lift the text and images in whole or substantial part, verbatim, of a work, and present in your own work without a license.&nbsp; That is likely the problem.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know where Krause got all the images from and what the licenses involved are.&nbsp; They may all need to be renegotiated.</p><p><br /></p><p>To make this clearer, lets say I want to make an index of ALL the cateloges from xyz auctions over the last 200 years, I am perfectly within my right.&nbsp; I can refer to them and discuss them and even quote small peices under fair use.&nbsp; I can even put them all in my database whole, as long as I don&#039;t publish them or share them broadly with the public.&nbsp; I can&#039;t take all their photographs, though and descriptions and put them in my own book that I publish.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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