Krause Catalog availablitiy

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  1. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

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  3. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    You need to edit the Url, to put an h at the beginning, otherwise you will have a thread all about that instead of the catalog
     
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  4. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    Wasn't aware of that. I already have 3 copies from 1700 to present so I'm a bit late to the party. :(
     
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  5. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Me too, and I prefer the books to on-line or pdf formats, even though they are bulky and heavy
     
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  6. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    If they were easier to search online, I'd be happy.
    Plus, I like the life size photographs for when I have a near unidentifiable coin.

    I own a kindle, but unfortunately it wouldn't allow me to upload a PDF version of the book. That way, I feel it would be a bit more searchable.

    I put tabs in my Krause books, along with my red book. That does well enough for me. However, having it in my pocket on my phone or kindle would for sure help at shows in the future. But, it is what it is. :)
     
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  7. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Have no idea what the print catalog has that the free online NGC/Krause catalog doesn't (I'm sure it's plenty) or how extensively you need/use it, but for general/limited references and ballpark prices, the online version does it for me most of the time. FWIW.
     
  8. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    Does the Krause Coin Catalog have information about U.S. coins? I'm a newbee and have never heard of it.
     
  9. DEA

    DEA Well-Known Member

    Yes, sir! The Krause catalogs have lots of information about US and many other coins. Krause, or Krause-Mishler (Mishler is one of the present ANA governors), or KM, is the first coin catalog I became aware of - way back in 1980s, I think. If not the first, KM is one of the first to attempt to catalog all modern coins (defined as beginning in about 1601, I think) from throughout the world. KM has at least six major-city-phonebook-size catalogs, which, as I said, attempt to catalog all coins. I have five catalogs dated by century - 1601-1700, 1701-1800, 1801-1900, 1901-2000, and 2001-present (which was 2016 when I purchased it). I also have KM's German Coins catalog, which goes from 1501-Present. My first KM catalog was the 18th edition of World Coins, which really helped me gain a perspective on the world's coinage. KM has mostly adopted Yeoman's (Y#) catalog number for polity's that Yeoman pretty much nailed (e.g., see Venezuela - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/venezuela-1.html).

    There are many other other catalogers, but I tend to stick to KM, Y (world), S (Schön) (world), Spink (British, UK), and . . . I think that it's it - for modern-ish coins. Entirely different bunch of catalogers for ancients.

    See https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/articles/catalogues.php for an extremely long list of catalogues - specialty and world.
     
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  10. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    I see you list a KM German coin catalog 1501-Present, do you know if they have a similar catalog for Italian coins ?
     
  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Supporter! Supporter

    FWIW, Krause Publications was part of F+W Media and in the bankruptcy auction the printed books were bought by Penguin / Bertlesmann.
     
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  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    If I recall correctly, the Germany volume was the only single country volume published by Krsuse
     
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  13. DEA

    DEA Well-Known Member

    @serafino - I do believe @Oldhoopster is correct. I've never heard of any single country-catalog outside of Germany - neither KM nor otherwise. But I would not be surprised if there's something in Italy or Europe. The last king/emperor of Italy had quite a coin collection; I think they did something catalog-wise with his coin inventory/collection. Sorry for having no firm answers.

    @Burton Strauss III - isn't Bertlesmann a German publishing firm? Sounds very familiar.
     
  14. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Supporter! Supporter

    @DEA yes, PRH is one of their brands.
     
  15. serafino

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  16. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Yes, in Italy they have a good catalog for Italian coins called "Gigante Monete Italiane Dal '700 all 'Euro" (1700's to the Euro). they issue a new edition every year with updates. It's of course written in Italian. I ony wish they covered Italian states coins prior to the 1700's.
     
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  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Problem is they DIDN'T get the rights to the database the catalogs are generated from. So they have the rights to publish the book, but no database to create it from. Which is most likely why there was no edition published in 2021.

    They also had one for Mexico but I believe they only published one edition of it.

    There are specialized books for the coins of other countries but they weren't published by Krause/F&W. Best way to find out what they are would be to try and contact collectors or clubs in the country you are interested in and ask them what book they would recommend. Be advised those books will typically be in the local language not English.
     
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  18. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Supporter! Supporter

    Yep. In one of the other discussions I pointed out that the Numismaster IP went to Active Interest Media. They have continued to publish the magazines and the Numismaster.com site is selling SOMETHING for $90/year
     
  19. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum

    databases are not copyrightable
     
  20. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Supporter! Supporter


    Actually the data within is. It's written expression under the Basel Convention.

    You can't copyright FACTS, but you can copyright the choices of facts and the assembly thereof.

    Most recent case I'm aware of was baseball statistics. There are 100s of statistics, so the choice of a small subset was copyrightable, as was the manipulation of those facts to create a unique derived value.

    But the original case law goes back to the first telephone books.
     
  21. cplradar

    cplradar Talmud Chuchum


    In the US databases are not copyrightable, even under Bern. There are about a dozen cases attacking this as it is a goal of certain publishers, but a database itself can not be copyrighted. Of course the material within the database can be under copyright, thousands or millions of them, like the google books project. If you print it in a format, like Krause, that is copyrightable. But, just dropping data into DB2 for query is not copyrightable. In this case, the catalogues, images, and the format of the Krause and comments are all copyrighted for 100 years of whatever the hel the Sony Bono Acted extended it to.
     
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