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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Marsyas Mike, post: 6683957, member: 85693&quot;]Happy belated Saturnalia...</p><p><br /></p><p>Just got a Valerian antoninianus featuring Saturn on the reverse, and I&#039;ve spent a couple hours researching it and getting confused.&nbsp; I wanted to bring up a few things, with RC&#039;s nice Gallienus Saturn as a compare/contrast coin:</p><p><br /></p><p>As RC describes his Gallienus RIC 606, Saturn is holding a harpa.&nbsp; That&#039;s what it looks like to me.&nbsp; The sources I saw all said the same thing.&nbsp; Not that I&#039;m checking RC&#039;s attributions, but I was starting to get confused, since OCRE has a real mishmash of sceptres and scythes, with an occasional auction brining up harpas.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>However, in every reference - OCRE, Wildwinds, acsearch, etc. I could find, my Valerian RIC 210 has Saturn holding a scythe.&nbsp; But this looks like the same thing as RC&#039;s Gallienus harpa to me.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Further complicating things is Valerian RIC 67 which has Saturn holding a sceptre - see OCRE.&nbsp; However, <i>I could not find a single correct image of this coin</i>.&nbsp; The ones I did find were in error and showed the same harpa/scythe.&nbsp; In fact all the Saturn reverses I saw had the harpa/scythe - I never did see a sceptre.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Further complicating things, RIC 210 is usually described with a draped bust, and OCRE stating RIC 67 is draped and cuirassed.&nbsp; My RIC 210 - and most of them I saw online - are cuirassed as well.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>I am beginning to wonder if RIC 67 and RIC 210 are the same thing - with the bust being just draped or draped and cuirassed as a variation, with all reverse showing Saturn with a harpa/scythe.&nbsp; Legends are the same for both types.&nbsp; OCRE attributes one to Rome and the other to Antioch...but, again, is this the same coin?&nbsp; Or am I missing something else here?&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Here is Valerian and Gallienus with Saturn reverse, scythes, sceptres randomly described in OCRE: </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=%28authority_facet%3A%22Gallienus%22+OR+authority_facet%3A%22Valerian%22%29+AND+deity_facet%3A%22Saturn%22" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=%28authority_facet%3A%22Gallienus%22+OR+authority_facet%3A%22Valerian%22%29+AND+deity_facet%3A%22Saturn%22" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=(authority_facet:&quot;Gallienus&quot;+OR+authority_facet:&quot;Valerian&quot;)+AND+deity_facet:&quot;Saturn&quot;</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here&#039;s mine</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1269844[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Valerian I&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Antoninianus</b></p><p><b>(254-255 A.D.)</b></p><p><b>Viminacium or Antioch Mint</b></p><p>IMP [C P LIC] VALERIANVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right / [AE]TERNITATI AVG[G], Saturn veiled, draped, standing right, holding scythe</p><p>RIC 210; Göbl 1559a.</p><p>(3.63 grams / 21 mm)</p><p>eBay Mar. 2021&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Lot @&nbsp; $5.63 </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Attribution Notes:</b></p><p>RIC 210:&nbsp; Saturn holding scythe; bust draped only, but this one is cuirassed, as are others online.&nbsp; RIC: Viminacium Mint; Göbl Antioch Mint</p><p><br /></p><p>RIC 67 (Rome):&nbsp; Saturn holding sceptre; obverse bust is cuirassed I could find no correctly-described examples. </p><p><br /></p><p>Any other Saturn Valerian/Gallienus antoninianii out there?&nbsp; Any thoughts on the difference between a harpa and a scythe?&nbsp; RIC 67/RIC 210 differences, if any?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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