Keep it or Return it

I would guess that the person who bought the coin, also believes the attribution enough, and will keep it, and be happy about it while he/she owns it. That delight will probably quickly disappear if he/she tries to sell it, and only then finds out it isn't a proof (based on the pics). The winner bid on it seeing what we see, and still bid on it as if it were a proof, and in their eyes/mind, it is. They'll keep it, and leave positive feedback.

 

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I don't understand... your bid would have been made knowing it wasn't a proof. Based on the fact that the assumption is I put a bid on this coin, I would keep it because I would have bid on it knowing such. Returning it would be at best a waste of everyone's time and at worst dishonest. I wish there was a "wouldn't have bid at all" option. Someone should've messaged the seller and also reported the listing practices... Based on the two options, I'm disappointed more people didn't select Keep It, since everyone knows that's not a proof.

 

If "wouldn't have bid at all" was an option, I think most, if not all would have chosen that.
I know I would have.

 

Considering the opening bid was $10, yes I would have bid on it.

 

Satellite, I will return a coin that a seller openly advertises as something it isn't. But only with something as egregious as this. I mean, it's not like this is a cleaned coin that slipped by me. I take hits like that all the time. But this is like buying a 1798 large cent that the seller said was a 1799. The size of the error matters. The financial impact of the error matters. You can't boil everything in life down to a simple, all-encompassing right or wrong, IMO. This is a SNAD case, and a easy one at that. Item Significantly NOT As Described.

 

Concur, that’s why I suggested reporting the item and contacting the seller.

 

A very nice 84PL...I'd bid $80 to start and maybe $180 max.

 

In all the years I've been collecting I've returned one coin.

If a coin shows up and it doesn't look like the pictures or match the description, I would have no problem returning it. The seller is being deceitful by writing PROOF on the coin, in the title and in the description.

If your pride is so great that you wouldn't return a lie of a coin, than that's on you.

 

Perhaps giving the rest of us a break this time.

 

But nobody bought a coin. They bought a lie.

 

No, they bought a coin that they are clearly not familiar with, and lack the knowledge to have done so wisely.

While I get and certainly respect your point/position, this type of thinking only contributes to the greater issue of the lack of personal accountability facing this hobby today. If you (and I'd like to think most here) were able to identify the coin from the two photos, so should any and every genuinely interested party, and really is as simple as that.

Perhaps think of it this way: why did you invest however many years of your life into learning your trade? Surely it was to benefit you first, but it's also a business necessity, and is something that gives you an edge over nameless eBay sellers (if the case may be). Potential buyers without the necessary knowledge to buy safely on their own have options today. First, they can deal with a knowledgeable dealer, or stick to venues selling only screened slaves material, or they can do what I assume you've done, and many others have done, and actually learn to better themselves. The failure to do so, along with the ability to simply blame someone else for said failing, only helps to continue the cycle that leads so many leave this hobby disgusted. eBay is a yard sale, and as with any real world yard sale, one cannot reasonably hold sellers to the same level they would a standalone professional, but this is exactly what so very many decide to do. Just think of the business potential you may enjoy if people were forced to shoulder the responsibility for their own decisions.

 

But you saw the exact same pictures when you bid on it and therefore you ALREADY knew what you were buying and that it wasn't a Proof coin. If you bought it under those circumstances, how do you justify returning what you KNEW you were buying and bargaining for??

 

The buyer of this business strike coin can still learn a lesson and gain knowledge from this experience while still returning the coin for a refund or opening a SNAD case, which hopefully they will do. Lessons can be had without having to take such a massive financial hit. True, eating such a loss may cause it to sink in a little harder, but is not required for one to walk away more knowledgeable for it.

 

So in the scenario, I'm required to be an idiot? Oh, ok. Well then I'd still return it, because I regret it.

 

Bingo!

How do you know that the seller is being deceitful, instead of just as ignorant as the buyer? The seller says that they are "selling a great uncle's and his brothers very large estate & coin collection" so maybe they really just don't know.


I have no problem returning that coin IF the buyer did not know from the pictures that it was not a proof and only found out the truth later from consulting someone more knowledgable or sending it to a TPG. But those are not the assumptions that people here are expressing when they say they would send it back.

BTW, I believe this demonstrates a problem with coins sold by folks who say things like: READ ABOUT OUR COIN REMOVAL POLICY FROM THE HOLDERS BELOW . . . COINS REMOVED FROM HOLDERS OR SENT TO THIRD PARTY FIRMS ARE CONSIDERED SOLD!

In this case, the seller is selling a coin which is misrepresented (intentionally or not) and now they are foreclosing a return of a misrepresented coin by a buyer, simply because they sent the coin to a TPG who was the one who informed them that it was misrepresented in the first place. Does not seem right to me. YMMV.

 

I'd never deal with someone that photographed the coin inside a 2x2 only and then had this policy below. Despite the fact Ebay would override them if there was an issue I'd rather just avoid dealing with it and not give them my business.
'WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT TO SELL TO ANYBODY WITH LESS THAN 10 FEED BACKS PLEASE ALSO READ ABOUT OUR COIN REMOVAL POLICY FROM THE HOLDERS BELOW Thanks for checking our auction out. We are in the process of selling a great uncle's and his brothers very large estate & coin collection and there is something for everyone. All auctions will be private to protect bidder security plus all coins are stored in safety deposit boxes in the bank. We will leave feedback after you leave one that way we know you received your coin. A 5 star rating is very important to us. Please notify us right away if there are any problems and we will be happy to work with you. There is a 30 day return policy plus we do not allow any returns of coins that have been removed from the original holder. COINS REMOVED FROM HOLDERS OR SENT TO THIRD PARTY FIRMS ARE CONSIDERED SOLD ! '

 

Where do you get that you are required to be an idiot?

 

Agreed.

 

It's not a proof.