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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 696185, member: 13650"]In bold. Absolutely insane. </p><p><br /></p><p> I've said it before and I'll say it again. Feedback is absolutely meaningless. Do you realize how easy it is for crooks on ebay to rack up thousands of positive feedback? Just the other day I caught a guy buying Chinese replicas OFF EBAY and re-selling them on ebay! But nobody was catching it because he was selling so many, genuine, cheaper, modern stuff that it all blended in. AND THE BUYERS RECEIVING THE FAKES DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER THEMSELVES so they were leaving positive feedback for him. He's still out there selling, BTW. </p><p><br /></p><p> In coins, it's safe to assume that the majority of positive feedback is left by very uneducated people who don't really know what they received. They just know they received 'something', in a timely manner. That = positive feedback.</p><p><br /></p><p> I just received a coin today. The seller has over 5k feedback. 100% positive with a couple neutrals. Should be no problem right? Wrong. </p><p><br /></p><p> I get the coin. It's not even what was pictured. There's an obvious gash on the obverse that's been filled!! Now I have to waste time sending it back and getting a refund. But the feedback was great!</p><p><br /></p><p> <b>If you want an honest opinion as to why people seem to be coming across harshly, I will give you several.</b></p><p><br /></p><p> First off, you came here as a newbie not that long ago. You average 10 posts a day. You went from wanting to learn, to being a near, self proclaimed expert in a very short period of time. But yet you keep buying expensive coins and then throwing out posts concerning them, looking for approval from the boards. It's like you're throwing crap at a wall and seeing what will stick. </p><p><br /></p><p> Aside from that, most here don't care to look at coins from an investing standpoint because of the difficulty and would rather just enjoy collecting. When you start talking money and profits concerning anything, most of the time conversations will go down hill.</p><p><br /></p><p> Aside from that, right or wrong, you give the impression of being a spoiled kid, who did not work real hard for the cash you're throwing at coins. Some may find that irritating. Also most people do not like to discuss what they paid for something in an open forum. Many people may find that distasteful as well.</p><p> </p><p> To constantly focus on the idea of investing, buying cheap and looking for someone less educated to take advantage of to one extent or another, isn't necessarily the most popular thing to discuss. You're asking for controversy from the get go. You should not be surprised when a thread takes a turn for the worst. </p><p><br /></p><p> You did not purchase this $20 coin to stash away in a collection. In a week or two, you will have it back on ebay telling us what it's selling for.</p><p><br /></p><p> You also come across as being naieve because it is apparent you don't realize the seriousness and real danger of fakes circulating around out there. Especially on ebay. Many times using the actual metal content from cheaper, real coins that have been melted. So the metal content may or may not be correct.</p><p><br /></p><p> Now lets assume the $20 IS real. Ok, easy enough. Now you probably should send it in to be graded because it's very likely the next buyer would want a coin that expensive to be in a TPG slab. Then that's a whole nother battle. It's very likely it will come back in the purple, problem slab as AU-details, cleaned, like they are doing with almost everything these days. Which makes it an authenticated, but problem coin. Well, now someone spending that much money would rather have a non-problem coin. </p><p><br /></p><p> The fact is that almost ANY coin that could be sent in to a TPG (especially higher dollar ones), that could be encaspsulated to increase it's value, have very likely already been sent in. To me, it looks like sellers dump most of their problem coins on ebay hoping to rip off someone who doesn't know any better. Across ALL types.</p><p> My thinking on loose, higher dollar coins goes more like why isn't it in a slab? The true, good quality, loose coins are mixed in with all the problem coins that may or may not have been rejected at some time. Now, you may not mind that. But the potential buyers you're going to want to sell to, will. And it will affect what the coin brings.</p><p><br /></p><p> On top of that, it would seem you could use a lesson in humility. You don't need to prove anything. Just live and learn with everyone else.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 696185, member: 13650"]In bold. Absolutely insane. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Feedback is absolutely meaningless. Do you realize how easy it is for crooks on ebay to rack up thousands of positive feedback? Just the other day I caught a guy buying Chinese replicas OFF EBAY and re-selling them on ebay! But nobody was catching it because he was selling so many, genuine, cheaper, modern stuff that it all blended in. AND THE BUYERS RECEIVING THE FAKES DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER THEMSELVES so they were leaving positive feedback for him. He's still out there selling, BTW. In coins, it's safe to assume that the majority of positive feedback is left by very uneducated people who don't really know what they received. They just know they received 'something', in a timely manner. That = positive feedback. I just received a coin today. The seller has over 5k feedback. 100% positive with a couple neutrals. Should be no problem right? Wrong. I get the coin. It's not even what was pictured. There's an obvious gash on the obverse that's been filled!! Now I have to waste time sending it back and getting a refund. But the feedback was great! [B]If you want an honest opinion as to why people seem to be coming across harshly, I will give you several.[/B] First off, you came here as a newbie not that long ago. You average 10 posts a day. You went from wanting to learn, to being a near, self proclaimed expert in a very short period of time. But yet you keep buying expensive coins and then throwing out posts concerning them, looking for approval from the boards. It's like you're throwing crap at a wall and seeing what will stick. Aside from that, most here don't care to look at coins from an investing standpoint because of the difficulty and would rather just enjoy collecting. When you start talking money and profits concerning anything, most of the time conversations will go down hill. Aside from that, right or wrong, you give the impression of being a spoiled kid, who did not work real hard for the cash you're throwing at coins. Some may find that irritating. Also most people do not like to discuss what they paid for something in an open forum. Many people may find that distasteful as well. To constantly focus on the idea of investing, buying cheap and looking for someone less educated to take advantage of to one extent or another, isn't necessarily the most popular thing to discuss. You're asking for controversy from the get go. You should not be surprised when a thread takes a turn for the worst. You did not purchase this $20 coin to stash away in a collection. In a week or two, you will have it back on ebay telling us what it's selling for. You also come across as being naieve because it is apparent you don't realize the seriousness and real danger of fakes circulating around out there. Especially on ebay. Many times using the actual metal content from cheaper, real coins that have been melted. So the metal content may or may not be correct. Now lets assume the $20 IS real. Ok, easy enough. Now you probably should send it in to be graded because it's very likely the next buyer would want a coin that expensive to be in a TPG slab. Then that's a whole nother battle. It's very likely it will come back in the purple, problem slab as AU-details, cleaned, like they are doing with almost everything these days. Which makes it an authenticated, but problem coin. Well, now someone spending that much money would rather have a non-problem coin. The fact is that almost ANY coin that could be sent in to a TPG (especially higher dollar ones), that could be encaspsulated to increase it's value, have very likely already been sent in. To me, it looks like sellers dump most of their problem coins on ebay hoping to rip off someone who doesn't know any better. Across ALL types. My thinking on loose, higher dollar coins goes more like why isn't it in a slab? The true, good quality, loose coins are mixed in with all the problem coins that may or may not have been rejected at some time. Now, you may not mind that. But the potential buyers you're going to want to sell to, will. And it will affect what the coin brings. On top of that, it would seem you could use a lesson in humility. You don't need to prove anything. Just live and learn with everyone else.[/QUOTE]
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