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<p>[QUOTE="Herodotus, post: 4939004, member: 111387"]OK,</p><p><br /></p><p>I think I have it now. Apologies if I discovered too much, but I enjoy a challenging attribution myself. Today I learned a little more about Arabic coinage and Islamic history as well. So the gratitude is mutual.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://images.vcoins.com/product_image/28/E/6/eLg57ogPTf368Np29aBZsQx6j4KTRY.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Abbasid Coinage</b></p><p><i>temp.</i> <b>Harun al-Rashid AD 786-809</b></p><p> </p><p><b>Reign</b> anonymous, <i>temp.</i> Harun al-Rashid AH170-193</p><p><b>Denomination</b> AR dirham</p><p><b>Date Struck</b> AH 185 (AD 801)</p><p><b>Mint</b> al-Muhammadiya (now Reyy near Tehran in Iran)</p><p><b>Obverse</b> in the margin: "in The Name of God. This dirham was struck in al-Muhammadiya in the year five and eighty and one hundred" (185) in the center: "There is no deity except/ (the one) God alone/He has no equal.</p><p><b>Reverse</b></p><p>in the margin: "Muhammad is the messenger of God. He sent him with guidance and the true religion to reveal it to all religions even if the polytheists abhor it<b>".</b></p><p>in the center: on the top: Arabic letter <i>waw</i> و followed by "Muhammad is the Messenger of God/From what was ordered by the Prince al-Amin/</p><p>Muhammad Son of The Prince of The Faithful/", Below it in Arabic Governor's name <i>Ja'far</i><b> جعفر</b></p><p><b>Weight</b> 2.94 gr.</p><p><b>Diameter</b></p><p>25 mm.</p><p><b>Reference</b> Album #219.9 (although lacks the ruler's own name, it bears the name of his heir, al-Amin).</p><p><b>Grade</b> Good VF/XF</p><p><b>Comments</b></p><p>Harun al-Rashid was the fifth Arab Abbasid Caliph that encompassed modern Iraq. His birth date remains a point of discussion, though, as various sources give the dates from 763-6.</p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+born&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNMBEOgT&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+born&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNMBEOgT&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Born</a>: 763? AD, <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=city+of+rey+iran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWFyiUGWcTfr349cgc1sjIKMW0Qvbd3QV-gCAOI-10cqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNQBEJsTKAA&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=city+of+rey+iran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWFyiUGWcTfr349cgc1sjIKMW0Qvbd3QV-gCAOI-10cqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNQBEJsTKAA&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Rayy (near Tehran)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+died&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNYBEOgT&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+died&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNYBEOgT&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Died</a>: 809 AD, <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=tus+in+iran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gVF2WVrBzqIl1k7bg2y5hfXPx1_I4cxQY98DAHRUv3QqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNcBEJsTKAA&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=tus+in+iran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gVF2WVrBzqIl1k7bg2y5hfXPx1_I4cxQY98DAHRUv3QqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNcBEJsTKAA&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Tous (near Mashhad in Iran)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+spouse&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNkBEOgT&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+spouse&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNkBEOgT&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Spouse</a>: <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=zubaida+bin+jafar&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-QYplbnlJmpoYV4381LneJ584m987sGXSZT8rAGTXRa8qAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNoBEJsTKAA&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=zubaida+bin+jafar&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-QYplbnlJmpoYV4381LneJ584m987sGXSZT8rAGTXRa8qAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNoBEJsTKAA&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Zubayda bint Ja`far (daughter of Ja'far Barmakid)</a></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+children&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNwBEOgT&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+children&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNwBEOgT&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Children</a>: <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-ma%27mun&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAEqANX_AHvTx-gAAAANCAMiCS9tLzAxeTNycS3I7zmewFtEvqQIorSbozgZZOPV0oEBeioAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN0BEJsTKAA&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-ma%27mun&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAEqANX_AHvTx-gAAAANCAMiCS9tLzAxeTNycS3I7zmewFtEvqQIorSbozgZZOPV0oEBeioAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN0BEJsTKAA&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Al-Ma'mun</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al+amin&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWGlcU7l_Fd7LcxM_58vnaMcPP3ikp757JHfAWYjzNIqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN4BEJsTKAE&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al+amin&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWGlcU7l_Fd7LcxM_58vnaMcPP3ikp757JHfAWYjzNIqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN4BEJsTKAE&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Al-Amin</a>, <a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-mu%27tasim&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAEqANX_AHvTx-gAAAANCAMiCS9tLzAxeThkecMq8oc-vLm_ZDypo4IAwdqpowvIqNDrbyoAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN8BEJsTKAI&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-mu%27tasim&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAEqANX_AHvTx-gAAAANCAMiCS9tLzAxeThkecMq8oc-vLm_ZDypo4IAwdqpowvIqNDrbyoAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN8BEJsTKAI&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Al-Mu'tasim (all his successors)</a></p><p><a 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href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-khayzuran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gVFuZV56e3Bajd-xnz92zJFgsv5zQSWRdXk_APksHTQqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0COMBEJsTKAE&extab=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-khayzuran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gVFuZV56e3Bajd-xnz92zJFgsv5zQSWRdXk_APksHTQqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0COMBEJsTKAE&extab=1" rel="nofollow">Al-Khayzuran</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Herodotus, post: 4939004, member: 111387"]OK, I think I have it now. Apologies if I discovered too much, but I enjoy a challenging attribution myself. Today I learned a little more about Arabic coinage and Islamic history as well. So the gratitude is mutual. [IMG]https://images.vcoins.com/product_image/28/E/6/eLg57ogPTf368Np29aBZsQx6j4KTRY.jpg[/IMG] [B]Abbasid Coinage[/B] [I]temp.[/I] [B]Harun al-Rashid AD 786-809[/B] [B]Reign[/B] anonymous, [I]temp.[/I] Harun al-Rashid AH170-193 [B]Denomination[/B] AR dirham [B]Date Struck[/B] AH 185 (AD 801) [B]Mint[/B] al-Muhammadiya (now Reyy near Tehran in Iran) [B]Obverse[/B] in the margin: "in The Name of God. This dirham was struck in al-Muhammadiya in the year five and eighty and one hundred" (185) in the center: "There is no deity except/ (the one) God alone/He has no equal. [B]Reverse[/B] in the margin: "Muhammad is the messenger of God. He sent him with guidance and the true religion to reveal it to all religions even if the polytheists abhor it[B]".[/B] in the center: on the top: Arabic letter [I]waw[/I] و followed by "Muhammad is the Messenger of God/From what was ordered by the Prince al-Amin/ Muhammad Son of The Prince of The Faithful/", Below it in Arabic Governor's name [I]Ja'far[/I][B] جعفر Weight[/B] 2.94 gr. [B]Diameter[/B] 25 mm. [B]Reference[/B] Album #219.9 (although lacks the ruler's own name, it bears the name of his heir, al-Amin). [B]Grade[/B] Good VF/XF [B]Comments[/B] Harun al-Rashid was the fifth Arab Abbasid Caliph that encompassed modern Iraq. His birth date remains a point of discussion, though, as various sources give the dates from 763-6. [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+born&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNMBEOgT&extab=1']Born[/URL]: 763? AD, [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=city+of+rey+iran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWFyiUGWcTfr349cgc1sjIKMW0Qvbd3QV-gCAOI-10cqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNQBEJsTKAA&extab=1']Rayy (near Tehran)[/URL] [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+died&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNYBEOgT&extab=1']Died[/URL]: 809 AD, [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=tus+in+iran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gVF2WVrBzqIl1k7bg2y5hfXPx1_I4cxQY98DAHRUv3QqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNcBEJsTKAA&extab=1']Tous (near Mashhad in Iran)[/URL] [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+spouse&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNkBEOgT&extab=1']Spouse[/URL]: [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=zubaida+bin+jafar&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-QYplbnlJmpoYV4381LneJ584m987sGXSZT8rAGTXRa8qAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNoBEJsTKAA&extab=1']Zubayda bint Ja`far (daughter of Ja'far Barmakid)[/URL] [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+children&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CNwBEOgT&extab=1']Children[/URL]: [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-ma%27mun&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAEqANX_AHvTx-gAAAANCAMiCS9tLzAxeTNycS3I7zmewFtEvqQIorSbozgZZOPV0oEBeioAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN0BEJsTKAA&extab=1']Al-Ma'mun[/URL], [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al+amin&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWGlcU7l_Fd7LcxM_58vnaMcPP3ikp757JHfAWYjzNIqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN4BEJsTKAE&extab=1']Al-Amin[/URL], [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-mu%27tasim&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAAEqANX_AHvTx-gAAAANCAMiCS9tLzAxeThkecMq8oc-vLm_ZDypo4IAwdqpowvIqNDrbyoAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0CN8BEJsTKAI&extab=1']Al-Mu'tasim (all his successors)[/URL] [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=harun+al-rashid+parents&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0COEBEOgT&extab=1']Parents[/URL]: [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=a+al+mahdi&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWGliZnlPZcuH9dJNe9qDhjtUsluj7dNXOMPACWZhUYqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0COIBEJsTKAA&extab=1']Al-Mahdi[/URL], [URL='https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1552&bih=892&q=al-khayzuran&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gVFuZV56e3Bajd-xnz92zJFgsv5zQSWRdXk_APksHTQqAAAA&ei=Cz0IUYDTGJLh0AHCxYGgDw&ved=0COMBEJsTKAE&extab=1']Al-Khayzuran[/URL][/QUOTE]
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