Just go with the flow (lines)

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  1. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Thanks for the write-up Z very interesting, great flowing examples all. ;)
     
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  3. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Plus 1.
     
  4. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    image.jpeg Reference.
    RIC 178d; C 393; Hill 343

    Obv. HADRIANVS–AVGVSTVS
    Laureate bust right, drapery on left shoulder.

    Rev. COS–III
    Pudicitia, veiled, seated left on throne pulling veil.

    3.41 gr
     
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    How did I miss this thread when it first went around? Here's an Antonine dynasty coin with its share of flow lines. Click on it to see it in higher magnification:

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    Faustina II under Marcus Aurelius, AD 161-175
    Roman AR denarius; 2.60 g, 17 mm
    Rome, AD 161-175 Obv: FAVSTINA AVGVSTA, draped bust right
    Rev: LAETITIA, Laetitia standing left, holding wreath and scepter
    Refs: RIC 700; BMCRE --; Cohen 147; RCV 5258 var; CRE 197.
     
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  6. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    Glad this thread was revived, it taught me something I didn’t know. Here’s a cool Marcus Aurelius I got the other day with lots of flow lines. Hard to get a good photo of it for some reason, it’s better in hand.

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  7. Jovian363

    Jovian363 Well-Known Member

    While flow lines on denarii from the Antonine period are quite common, I have seen only a handful of high grade sestertii with these features. Here is a Lucilla sestertius, with flow lines visible mostly around letters, but also on her forehead and nose. Flow lines are more discreet than on denarii and are better seen if clicked for magnification. The adjustment marks (?) on both obverse and reverse might mean that the coin was produced quite late in the dies' life. LucillaSestertiusFlowlines.jpg
     
  8. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Great post Z and great coins all

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  9. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    colourfull flowlines on these 2 coins:

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  10. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    @Alegandron - Does that mean you do not have any coins with flow lines? (I have wanted to tell you how much I enjoy seeing your coins whenever you post them. Your whole collection must be amazing!! Thank you.)
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you... I really have more pedestrian / circulated / used coins. :)

    "Flow lines" remind me of what happens in injection molded plastics...plastic flows into the molds and do not completely blend, thereby showing "flow lines". It is more of a MATERIAL imperfection. (manufacturing background here).

    For metal (silver), I view them more lovingly as "stretch marks"! Because, that is more the resultant process on the MOLDS... The molds are stressed, with the surface of the mold being stretched over time, with multiple strikings beyond the molds' intended usage life.

    Most of my collection is from the BCE Period: Republican Rome, Greece, and Asia mainly AE). Generally, fewer coins were made. They appeared NOT to produce the monster-mass scale of coins as in the Roman Empire Period... so many of my Republic-era coins' molds do not appear as stretched as many of the Imperial molds.

    I have a few STRETCH MARKS... :)

    REPUBLIC:
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    RR Anon AR Denarius 115-114BCE Rome mint 19.52mm 3.82g ROMA X Seated r on shields spear birds she-wolf Romulus Remus Cr 287-1 S 164
    Maybe some Stretching around Obv nose and mouth

    IMPERIAL:
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    RI Lucilla AR denarius Juno seated flower child in swaddling clothes Seaby 36

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    RI Augustus AR Denarius struck 2 BC-14 AD Caius and Lucius Caesars stdg shield spear S 1578 NGC4276216-007
    Looks like the REVERSE MOLD was heavily over-used
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Even Septimius can play.
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  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Inspired by @zumbly , I have magnified my Faustina II:

    Faustina Jr LAETITIA standing denarius zoom.jpg
     
  14. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Some really cool additions, guys. Since this thread has been resurrected, here's an Aquilia Severa I bought some time back. I'm pretty sure the dramatic flow lines around the portrait had something to do with it.

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  15. yarm

    yarm Junior Member Supporter

    Here's a Conder token that attracted me for the same reason (Lothian 131, 1790's)

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  16. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    Probably pushed me over the tipping point on this one, Victory looks more like a beaming angel.

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    Marcus Aurelius. AD 161-180. AR Denarius (19mm, 3.12 g, 12h). Rome mint. Struck AD 166. Laureate head right / Victory standing right, holding palm frond and round shield inscribed VIC/PAR set on palm tree. RIC III 163; MIR 18, 141-4/30; RSC 878. EF, lightly toned.


    Ex Davissons 22 (28 April 2005), lot 95.
     
  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Interesting thread!
     
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  18. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Love those flow lines...


    Burma, Beikthano, Pyu City States
    (AD 200-350)
    AR Full Unit (96 Ratti)
    33 mm x 9.22 grams
    Obverse: Sun rising over the ocean dots in between rays solid border around.
    Reverse: Srivatsa, sun and moon above - uncertain ancillary symbols.
    Ref: Wicks Class A early transitional type.
    Note: Minty fresh
    Prov: Old Private Collection, Tochigi, Japan Funanearly.jpg
     
  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    confused........I thought flow lines radiated outward like a water drop in a bucket of water.

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