Just a Really Nice Groat

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TheRed, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    My first numismatics love is the coinage of the Plantagenets. I am always on the lookout for enjoyable coins of theirs. This coin below is one of those. It is a series D groat of Edward III and while not important or rare, I find it to be a really attractive coin.
    Edward III Groat D (1).jpg
    Edward III AR Groat 4th Coinage Series D 1352-1353 AD London mint. mm Cross 1
    Obv: EDWARD DG REX ANGL Z FRANC D HYB; crowned bust of king facing, annulet stops.
    Rev POSVI/DEVM A/DIVTOR/EM MEV; LON/DON/CIVI/TAS. Long cross pattee with pellets in quarters. mm Cross 1.
    SCBC.1566 N.1152

    Let's see those groats, gros tournois, groschen or any other medieval coins you like.
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  3. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist Supporter

    That is s lovely coin. I’ve been wanting a good English groat myself (but then, there are s lot of coins I want...). My only Groat:

    Med-12-IVen-1205-Pietro Ziani-G-3626.jpg
    (I’m on my phone doing this, so no details - Italian Grosso)
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice addition. Looks like it has nice toning to it.

    Edward III, (1327 - 1377 A.D.)
    AR Groat
    O: Plain Cross, HENRIC' DI' GRA' REX ANGLIE Z FRANC, crowned facing bust, rosette and mascle stops.
    R: CIVI (mascle)TAS LONDON(pinecone), long cross pattée; three pellets in angles, pinecone and double saltire stops
    London Mint
  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Wow, what a portrait on that coin @TheRed . I would have been attracted to it as well.

    Here is a groat of Edward IV and a Gros Tournois of Louis IX.

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  6. Chris B

    Chris B Well-Known Member

    Picked this up from a CNG auction a few months ago.

    TUDOR. Elizabeth I. 1558-1603. AR Sixpence (26.5mm, 3.10g). Third and Fourth issues. Tower mint; Dated 1561. Crowned bust left; rose to right / Coat-of-arms over long cross fourchée.

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  7. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    Venice, Pietro Gradenigo (1289-1311), Grosso.
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  8. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King Supporter

    Edward III Groats are among the most impressive of medieval coins and like @TheRed the Plantagenet Family are among my favorites.

    This Groat was minted in London between 1354-1355. It belonged to Lord Stewartby who, in addition to writing references on British coinage, served as a Minister in the Thatcher Government. I purchased it from Arthur Bryant in 2018. It is Spink-1567 and has been graded AU-50 (the finest graded) by PCGS. It is among my favorite coins.
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  9. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Those are really nice grosso @FitzNigel and @Milesofwho I would love to add one to my collection. Enrico Dandolo it's the first doge that comes to mind, but I'm sure thirds coins are at a premium due to his historical significance.

    Very nice coins @Mat and @Orfew both groats are pieces I wouldgladly add to my collection. I also really need to get a gros tournois.
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  10. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    That is one class-E groat @Aethelred why hasn't it been given a post all its own? I'll gladly take it off your hands if you ever replace it with a nicer coin ;)

    I would recommend the Spink catalogue for the Frank Brady Collection of English Hammered Groats. It was aprox $15 on ebay a few years ago and it contains some beautiful groats. Not really a reference, more eye candy, but fun to look at.
    Frank Brady Collection of English Hammered Groats-180x273.jpg
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  13. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist Supporter

    I was initially looking for an Enrico Dandolo, but the only one I saw had a starting bid around $300,000 (if I remember correctly). However, I just managed to snatch up a piccolo from him for about $20! It is currently in the mail...
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  14. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus Supporter

    Great groats! Impressive, @TheRed !
    Here goes mine, from CNG. Not Edward, but Henry VI:
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    LANCASTER. Henry VI. First reign, 1422-1461. AR Groat (26mm, 3.74 g, 4h). Rosette-mascle issue. Calais mint. Struck 1427-1430. Crowned facing bust in tressure of arches / Long cross pattée, with trefoil in each quarter. Whitton, Heavy 24a; North 1446; SCBC 1859.
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  15. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    That is a beautiful groat of Henry VI @Multatuli the bust is fantastic. The hair is outstanding, so often it is worn to one mass.
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  16. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Great looking coins all
  17. Craig Z

    Craig Z Member

    Great coin! I always love see posts on medieval coins! Here is mine.
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  18. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus Supporter

    Thanks very much, @TheRed ! Unfortunately, pierced....
  19. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    Here is a newly acquired Edward III Groat. It turned out to be better in hand than it was in the seller's photos so I was quite pleased.
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  20. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    ...and here's a Queen Elizabeth I Groat I acquired from @PaddyB over the summer:
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  21. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    Thanks for the tag @Mark Metzger . My own favourite groat is this Henry VI form the Calais mint:
    Henry VI Groat S1859 2.JPG Henry VI Groat S1859 1.JPG
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