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<p>[QUOTE="zumbly, post: 3578483, member: 57495"]Welcome back, Curtis, and wow, what a great article and terrific coin! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I’ve always wanted a nice bull of Julian’s, but have yet to snag one. The portrait on yours is truly phenomenal! </p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with TIF about the iconography of the reverse allowing for multiple meanings and interpretations. But, if an overt one was intended, I like best the idea that Julian with this distinctive issue intended to convey in unambiguous terms the idea that he sought to re-establish the old Pagan order. I don’t think it actually needs to be proven he was himself an initiate of Mithraism to use the symbology of the bull in tauroctomy to represent the dawning of a new age. With the SECVRITAS legend, Julian reassured his soldiers and subjects that even with the rolling back of the Christian rule of the past few decades, he would prioritize the security of the empire. You showed a similar-looking bull on a coin of Gallienus in your OP, but here's another one from Augustus that has the bull in a pose almost identical to Julian's. Coincidence? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie38" alt=":cow:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/augustus-denarius-bull-3465-jpg.932164/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="zumbly, post: 3578483, member: 57495"]Welcome back, Curtis, and wow, what a great article and terrific coin! :) I’ve always wanted a nice bull of Julian’s, but have yet to snag one. The portrait on yours is truly phenomenal! I agree with TIF about the iconography of the reverse allowing for multiple meanings and interpretations. But, if an overt one was intended, I like best the idea that Julian with this distinctive issue intended to convey in unambiguous terms the idea that he sought to re-establish the old Pagan order. I don’t think it actually needs to be proven he was himself an initiate of Mithraism to use the symbology of the bull in tauroctomy to represent the dawning of a new age. With the SECVRITAS legend, Julian reassured his soldiers and subjects that even with the rolling back of the Christian rule of the past few decades, he would prioritize the security of the empire. You showed a similar-looking bull on a coin of Gallienus in your OP, but here's another one from Augustus that has the bull in a pose almost identical to Julian's. Coincidence? :cow: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/augustus-denarius-bull-3465-jpg.932164/[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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