Julia Paula Denarius With VESTA Reverse

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  1. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Aha! I'm glad the mystery is solved. :)
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Update!

    I was reading the catalog of Wiczay's collection published in 1814 and he apparently had a copy of the OP coin in his collection!

    One important note about this catalogue: it uses heraldic directions rather than the traditional numismatic ones, so when e.g. he says "portrait left" he really means "portrait right"!

    Julia Paula Vesta Denarius Wiczay listing.JPG
    The description of #2131 would read in English (and with modern numismatic conventions), "IVLIA PAVLA AVG, her bust right; VESTA, goddess standing left -- see table II no. 25"

    And here's table II, no. 25:

    Julia Paula Vesta Denarius Wiczay illustration.JPG

    It's obvious to anyone reading the catalog that all of the illustrations are not of actual coins, but of design types, and the portraits are not reflective of ancient Roman style.
     
  4. Lolli

    Lolli Active Member

    The coins of Roman Collector and lrbguy are both published Lipanoff forgeries from same obverse but different reverse die. I want to avoid that this fakes with impossible varieties will be established as authentic and this not existing variants established as existing although they do not exist for authentic coins.

    Obverse die match to Lipanoff No. 97 see identical die flaws t look like two lines in front of the nose of Paula
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    AR Denarius, 17/18 mm; 2,920 g; 5h.
    Obv. IVLIA PAVLA AVG Bust of Julia to r.
    Rev. VENVS GENETRIX Venus on chair to l., holding apple and scepter.
    Struck. Die-engraver "Lipanoff Studio"
    Published: Sofia 2004, no.97
    I. Prokopov

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    Julia Paula Vesta Denarius.jpg
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2019
  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Mystery solved! Thank you very much!
     
  6. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    Not too surprising given the pairing of the Victoria reverse (Lipanoff style) from their Balbinus fake, and the Lipanoff obverse with their hairy upper lip. Thanks for digging this out. I guess when the Bulgarians run out of coins underground they go into business for themselves. Where is Caesar when you need him?

    Anything on the Mamaea with the Domna style Vesta reverse?
     
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