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<p>[QUOTE="Mike Margolis, post: 3179403, member: 88401"]The Bahir is not an imitation, it is a part of what we call Torah Shel B'Peh- the oral teachings of the mouth. The Yetzirah's written documents are even older than the Bahir. Many, many oral teachings were not written till way after the destruction of the temple and the diaspora. This includes talmud, mishnah and many,many others. You most likely are not a person who would ever listen to someone like me. This is not a reply for you but for those who might benefit. Convert or a family of converts- ridiculous nitpicking. The Revelation is a Gnostic text mostly written in a code only known to initiates at a time when Gnostics and Jews freely interacted and shared teachings. "I have studied the matter sir and you have not"- a famous quote of Issac Newton when arguing for the validity of ancient astrological techniques with the naysayer- Edmund Halley. Just from the infamous Chapter thirteen in Revelation. "Let him who hath wisdom and understanding"...calculate the number. You and most non Jewish folks and even scholars would not know Torah and Prophets well enough to know immediately who and what this really refers to(not a devil!). The Gnostic solar numbers used in this book and a Greek gematria hold the surprising key. Pick up the seminal book by John Michell, "City of Revelation" which scratches the surface of the true Gnostic and ancient Hebraic wisdom in this book. Then study Torah and the books linked above in the Hebrew- for a few decades and you will begin to really learn. Nad BTW that 13th chapet of revelation which is written in a couched for to protect it's secrets and those who wrote it is a teaching from are called the Kellipot- the shells of holiness that contain the inner sparks of Truth. AND IT IS THE THIRTEENTH CHAPTER aligning with the Hebrew letter MEM which hovers over the amphorah (holding the secret to eternal waters of life) and on the prutha and brings us back to the beginning of the discussion.</p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/City-Revelation-John-Michell/dp/0345258754" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.amazon.com/City-Revelation-John-Michell/dp/0345258754" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/City-Revelation-John-Michell/dp/0345258754</a></p><p>and this touches a little on who the author of revelation was really refering to and how the ancient gematria of both Hebrew and Greek was used by the author extensively:<a href="https://spiritandshadow.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/sacred-geometry-and-the-number-of-the-beast/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://spiritandshadow.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/sacred-geometry-and-the-number-of-the-beast/" rel="nofollow">https://spiritandshadow.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/sacred-geometry-and-the-number-of-the-beast/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>ON Rabbi Akiva:<a href="https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/was-rabbi-akiba-ben-joseph-the-convert-or-was-rabbi-akibas-father-the-convert/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/was-rabbi-akiba-ben-joseph-the-convert-or-was-rabbi-akibas-father-the-convert/" rel="nofollow">https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/was-rabbi-akiba-ben-joseph-the-convert-or-was-rabbi-akibas-father-the-convert/</a></p><p>and another opinion: <a href="https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/rabbi-akiba/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/rabbi-akiba/" rel="nofollow">https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/rabbi-akiba/</a> claims he was illiterate till the age of 40 when he began studying Torah</p><p>Please buy and study this one which takes the opinion that he converted when he met his wife Rachel and she urged him to study. I know you will want to read some of the Jewish tradition:<a href="https://mekorjudaica.com/akiva-the-story-of-rabbi-akiva-and-his-times.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy4L0qaqd3QIVyLjACh1EyQhwEAQYASABEgLchfD_BwE" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://mekorjudaica.com/akiva-the-story-of-rabbi-akiva-and-his-times.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy4L0qaqd3QIVyLjACh1EyQhwEAQYASABEgLchfD_BwE" rel="nofollow">https://mekorjudaica.com/akiva-the-story-of-rabbi-akiva-and-his-times.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy4L0qaqd3QIVyLjACh1EyQhwEAQYASABEgLchfD_BwE</a></p><p><br /></p><p>and chapter thirteen of Revelation(the MEM chapter) is about the following ancient Jewish King and the initiates in temple building including the solar gnostic redeemer of Christianity- whose Greek name "Ieosus Christos" = in Greek gematria=2368 which is the very value of the verse! we are referring to. The gnostic author hid it in part to save his own skin!!! And the only person mentioned to have asked for 'WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING" in Hebrew scripture is KINGS I chapter 10:</p><p>. <b>{P}</b></p><p><b>יד</b> וַיְהִי מִשְׁקַל הַזָּהָב, אֲשֶׁר-בָּא לִשְׁלֹמֹה בְּשָׁנָה אֶחָת--שֵׁשׁ מֵאוֹת שִׁשִּׁים וָשֵׁשׁ, כִּכַּר זָהָב. <b>14</b> Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold. The secrets many come from the dimensional grids of the ancients as I have mentioned before since you find them on the coins of Miletos! This is based on the solar grid that aligns with the fourth of the ancient heavens surrounding the Earth in these ancient teachings. It holds the eternal upper temple. Itas a quality represents DOMINION- or political power and when out of balance it is tyranny but the gnostic Christian and Jewish lineages are about bringing it into the world mitigated with the soft lunar light so revered in the Earth based pagan traditions as appearing on many ancient coins. A true initiate in this wisdom wil have the power of dominion we call in Hebrew Geburah but balanced with the loving kindness of the upper waters called Chesed.[ATTACH=full]819071[/ATTACH] and the grid in Hebrew which contains many more understandings:[ATTACH=full]819072[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Mike Margolis, post: 3179403, member: 88401"]The Bahir is not an imitation, it is a part of what we call Torah Shel B'Peh- the oral teachings of the mouth. The Yetzirah's written documents are even older than the Bahir. Many, many oral teachings were not written till way after the destruction of the temple and the diaspora. This includes talmud, mishnah and many,many others. You most likely are not a person who would ever listen to someone like me. This is not a reply for you but for those who might benefit. Convert or a family of converts- ridiculous nitpicking. The Revelation is a Gnostic text mostly written in a code only known to initiates at a time when Gnostics and Jews freely interacted and shared teachings. "I have studied the matter sir and you have not"- a famous quote of Issac Newton when arguing for the validity of ancient astrological techniques with the naysayer- Edmund Halley. Just from the infamous Chapter thirteen in Revelation. "Let him who hath wisdom and understanding"...calculate the number. You and most non Jewish folks and even scholars would not know Torah and Prophets well enough to know immediately who and what this really refers to(not a devil!). The Gnostic solar numbers used in this book and a Greek gematria hold the surprising key. Pick up the seminal book by John Michell, "City of Revelation" which scratches the surface of the true Gnostic and ancient Hebraic wisdom in this book. Then study Torah and the books linked above in the Hebrew- for a few decades and you will begin to really learn. Nad BTW that 13th chapet of revelation which is written in a couched for to protect it's secrets and those who wrote it is a teaching from are called the Kellipot- the shells of holiness that contain the inner sparks of Truth. AND IT IS THE THIRTEENTH CHAPTER aligning with the Hebrew letter MEM which hovers over the amphorah (holding the secret to eternal waters of life) and on the prutha and brings us back to the beginning of the discussion. [url]https://www.amazon.com/City-Revelation-John-Michell/dp/0345258754[/url] and this touches a little on who the author of revelation was really refering to and how the ancient gematria of both Hebrew and Greek was used by the author extensively:[url]https://spiritandshadow.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/sacred-geometry-and-the-number-of-the-beast/[/url] ON Rabbi Akiva:[url]https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/was-rabbi-akiba-ben-joseph-the-convert-or-was-rabbi-akibas-father-the-convert/[/url] and another opinion: [url]https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/rabbi-akiba/[/url] claims he was illiterate till the age of 40 when he began studying Torah Please buy and study this one which takes the opinion that he converted when he met his wife Rachel and she urged him to study. I know you will want to read some of the Jewish tradition:[url]https://mekorjudaica.com/akiva-the-story-of-rabbi-akiva-and-his-times.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy4L0qaqd3QIVyLjACh1EyQhwEAQYASABEgLchfD_BwE[/url] and chapter thirteen of Revelation(the MEM chapter) is about the following ancient Jewish King and the initiates in temple building including the solar gnostic redeemer of Christianity- whose Greek name "Ieosus Christos" = in Greek gematria=2368 which is the very value of the verse! we are referring to. The gnostic author hid it in part to save his own skin!!! And the only person mentioned to have asked for 'WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING" in Hebrew scripture is KINGS I chapter 10: . [B]{P} יד[/B] וַיְהִי מִשְׁקַל הַזָּהָב, אֲשֶׁר-בָּא לִשְׁלֹמֹה בְּשָׁנָה אֶחָת--שֵׁשׁ מֵאוֹת שִׁשִּׁים וָשֵׁשׁ, כִּכַּר זָהָב. [B]14[/B] Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold. The secrets many come from the dimensional grids of the ancients as I have mentioned before since you find them on the coins of Miletos! This is based on the solar grid that aligns with the fourth of the ancient heavens surrounding the Earth in these ancient teachings. It holds the eternal upper temple. Itas a quality represents DOMINION- or political power and when out of balance it is tyranny but the gnostic Christian and Jewish lineages are about bringing it into the world mitigated with the soft lunar light so revered in the Earth based pagan traditions as appearing on many ancient coins. A true initiate in this wisdom wil have the power of dominion we call in Hebrew Geburah but balanced with the loving kindness of the upper waters called Chesed.[ATTACH=full]819071[/ATTACH] and the grid in Hebrew which contains many more understandings:[ATTACH=full]819072[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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