JOIVANUS--my first ancient typo.

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  1. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    This came today. I bought it from a trusted eBay seller. There is a good bit of corrosion damage, but it looks much better in hand than my poor photos. On the other hand, I only paid a bit over $13 including postage and sales tax, so I am very pleased. It is my first Jovian. On closer inspection, I found it is also my first ancient typo (or would that be engraveo?). Jovianus is spelled JOIVANUS. I especially appreciate this because I am somewhat dyslexic myself and tend to reverse letters and numbers. 20mm, 2.9g. Siscia mint, I believe. IMG_0156.JPG IMG_0159.JPG
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I believe:
    Siscia
    RIC 426,B Jovian AE3, Siscia. 363-364 AD. DN IOVIA-NVS PF AVG, Pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right / VOT V MVLT X in four lines within wreath, mintmark BSISC. LRBC 1267; RIC VIII Siscia 426; Sear 19228.
     
  4. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Correct. The coin is worn, and that's why we might misread some letters. The left side of obverse reads: DNJOVIA . And the right side reads: NUSPFAUG. good luck.
     
  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    DN IOVIANVS PV AVG is what I am seeing. Is that not right? What am I missing? I just woke up from a nap and am a bit blurry still.
     
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  6. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    I think there’s some confusion on the letter “J.”

    “J” was not in the Latin alphabet. It came over from other languages much later.

    So “IO” in Latin roughly equals “JO.” DN IOVIANVS PF AVG is correct on your coin for Jovian. Julian, Jupiter and other words are similarly spelled... “IVLIANVS” for Julian and “IOVI”.. for Jove or Jupiter.

    Edit... it’s hard to tell but you may be right about a misspelling... it looks like it reads: DN IOIVANVS PF AVG
     
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  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark standing on the shoulders of giants Dealer

    except, as Neal has pointed out, the obverse legend on his coin looks like JOIVANUS; which it does -- D N IOIVA-NVS P F AVG
     
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  8. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Haha, on first read I thought the missing “J” was the misspelling. I see the confusion was mine!
     
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    My favorite misspelling is VINO REGINA -- "Wine the Queen" -- on this antoninianus of Salonina from Antioch:

    Salonina VINO REGINA Antioch.jpg
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    JOVIAN
    Right and Left (Sinister) PAIR

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    RI Jovian AE3 Sirmium mint VOT V RIC 118
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    RI Jovian 363-364 AE 20mm Folles LEFT Sinister VOT V
     
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  11. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Is this a misspelling or a mint engraver making a social comment on the sly?
     
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  12. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    I apologize for my poor photo. The spelling IOIVANUS is more obvious in hand. Expecting to see IOVIANUS, I at first saw it that way, and worked hard in my mind to force the letters to read that way, but then realized the fault was in the coin, not my eye.

    Thanks for all your replies!
     
  13. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Thank you for this attribution! I really appreciate it. The seller just said, "Jovian." Does the "typo" change this? Or would it be just a variant of the same attribution?
     
  14. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Ok, I was half asleep when I commented, made it through the rest of the day, and then now am back to half asleep... What am I missing?
    I see a coin that spells out DN IOVIANVS AVG, which it should if all I have read is true.
    What is the "typo" I am missing?
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  15. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    V U v u. Just think how an engraver from Siscia might figure the 2 letters v and u in the word JOVIANUS. Add to this that the letter A is almost completely disfigured on this worn coin. Some engravers might mint the letter A this way "II".
     
  16. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    Here are some better shots of just the name, or rather the first part of the name. IOIVA. Yes, the A is almost totally obliterated, not by wear but by damage. But both more or less vertical lines of the A are showing, while the V has both its diagonal lines clearly visible. The second I, between the O and V is quite distinct, not a part of an A.
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