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<p>[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1057901, member: 19065"]Mac, I sense that your strong opinion is one that may be coming from that of a soldier. If that is so, I wish to thank you for your service.</p><p><br /></p><p>The public image and plight of soldiers in that era suffered great disrespect, but it was a challenging time when many things were strongly debated and questioned, and MANY different types of people suffered many injustices as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>In my earlier comments, I assumed nothing. I only stated facts, which you are clearly uninterested in hearing about as they are only bringing up feelings about someone who symbolized something else that irritates you to this day. I don't want to digress into a personal debate about you and your opinions but they seem to be the very basis for expressing yourself against this coin, this symbol and that man as a symbol for many things that you feel differently about, making this thread a platform for you to air your own grievance.</p><p><br /></p><p>Lennon touched many people, enough that those admirers of coins and Lennon around today along with the program from the UK Royal Mint together found enough interest in issuing a cultural commemorative piece. Lennon was inarguably a definer of popular culture, music culture and political culture of that time. He has thus been honored in his home country with this coin, not by the U.S. nor the U.S. Mint, regardless of his rebellion in or toward the UK and abroad. </p><p><br /></p><p>Here we are not talking about you, but rather a person who struggled to live his own life like any other individual, he just happened to be a celebrity and had to deal with the media and politicians for being a rebellious vocal celebrity. He eventually chose to pursue his own freedoms in the U.S. and did so by legally seeking residency like any other immigrant must do to this country. There's a recent film that would be good for anyone interested in this topic to see: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqHwF3vFbkc&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqHwF3vFbkc&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">The US vs. John Lennon</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The facts of his petition for permanent residency in the U.S. are another matter here entirely. It was of course a VERY public and long drawn out case which received a lot of media attention. There were also many obstacles placed in this path by the administration then in charge of this country that created many financial difficulties for him to overcome, but which ultimately did not restrict his entry into the U.S. as a permanent resident alien.</p><p><br /></p><p>After many trials, the final decision was made in Lennon's favor. The Chief Judge of the US Court of Appeal expressed the following in this decision</p><p><br /></p><p>"If, in our two hundred years of independence, we have in some measure realized our ideals, it is in large part because we have always found a place for those committed to the spirit of liberty and willing to help implement it. Lennon's four-year battle to remain in our country is testimony to his faith in this American dream.</p><p><br /></p><p>Accordingly, the denial of Lennon's application for adjustment of status and the order of deportation are vacated and the case remanded for reconsideration in accordance with the views expressed in this opinion."</p><p><br /></p><p>This statement and full details are a matter of public record and can be found online here: <a href="http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/527/527.F2d.187.18.74--2189.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/527/527.F2d.187.18.74--2189.html" rel="nofollow">United States Court of Appeals No. 18. Docket 74-2189</a></p><p><br /></p><p>When asked on camera by journalists if he (Lennon) bore and grudge against the politicians and offices of the United States that sought to deport him and prevent him from obtaining residency, Lennon said after hearing the decision in his favor, "I believe time wounds all heals." A bit of truthful humor from an eloquent speaker.</p><p><br /></p><p>Despite my offering of all of these further facts which you don't want to hear and discuss, I will make it even easier for you to win your <i>Lennon was an anti-American argument</i>… while he never had the chance to become an American citizen and it remains an unknown whether he would have ever sought that designation, and despite being born English and never exactly rejecting that nationality either, he was a person who in response to his world in chaos, came to question the rationality of claiming <u>any</u> nationality dividing and defining all of mankind… You must know the lyrics from his most popular song <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg" rel="nofollow">Imagine</a>, "Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for." That is perhaps the strongest "anti-American" statement he ever made and one which could work for everyone if we just give peace a chance.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1057901, member: 19065"]Mac, I sense that your strong opinion is one that may be coming from that of a soldier. If that is so, I wish to thank you for your service. The public image and plight of soldiers in that era suffered great disrespect, but it was a challenging time when many things were strongly debated and questioned, and MANY different types of people suffered many injustices as well. In my earlier comments, I assumed nothing. I only stated facts, which you are clearly uninterested in hearing about as they are only bringing up feelings about someone who symbolized something else that irritates you to this day. I don't want to digress into a personal debate about you and your opinions but they seem to be the very basis for expressing yourself against this coin, this symbol and that man as a symbol for many things that you feel differently about, making this thread a platform for you to air your own grievance. Lennon touched many people, enough that those admirers of coins and Lennon around today along with the program from the UK Royal Mint together found enough interest in issuing a cultural commemorative piece. Lennon was inarguably a definer of popular culture, music culture and political culture of that time. He has thus been honored in his home country with this coin, not by the U.S. nor the U.S. Mint, regardless of his rebellion in or toward the UK and abroad. Here we are not talking about you, but rather a person who struggled to live his own life like any other individual, he just happened to be a celebrity and had to deal with the media and politicians for being a rebellious vocal celebrity. He eventually chose to pursue his own freedoms in the U.S. and did so by legally seeking residency like any other immigrant must do to this country. There's a recent film that would be good for anyone interested in this topic to see: [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqHwF3vFbkc&feature=player_embedded"]The US vs. John Lennon[/URL] The facts of his petition for permanent residency in the U.S. are another matter here entirely. It was of course a VERY public and long drawn out case which received a lot of media attention. There were also many obstacles placed in this path by the administration then in charge of this country that created many financial difficulties for him to overcome, but which ultimately did not restrict his entry into the U.S. as a permanent resident alien. After many trials, the final decision was made in Lennon's favor. The Chief Judge of the US Court of Appeal expressed the following in this decision "If, in our two hundred years of independence, we have in some measure realized our ideals, it is in large part because we have always found a place for those committed to the spirit of liberty and willing to help implement it. Lennon's four-year battle to remain in our country is testimony to his faith in this American dream. Accordingly, the denial of Lennon's application for adjustment of status and the order of deportation are vacated and the case remanded for reconsideration in accordance with the views expressed in this opinion." This statement and full details are a matter of public record and can be found online here: [URL="http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/527/527.F2d.187.18.74--2189.html"]United States Court of Appeals No. 18. Docket 74-2189[/URL] When asked on camera by journalists if he (Lennon) bore and grudge against the politicians and offices of the United States that sought to deport him and prevent him from obtaining residency, Lennon said after hearing the decision in his favor, "I believe time wounds all heals." A bit of truthful humor from an eloquent speaker. Despite my offering of all of these further facts which you don't want to hear and discuss, I will make it even easier for you to win your [I]Lennon was an anti-American argument[/I]… while he never had the chance to become an American citizen and it remains an unknown whether he would have ever sought that designation, and despite being born English and never exactly rejecting that nationality either, he was a person who in response to his world in chaos, came to question the rationality of claiming [U]any[/U] nationality dividing and defining all of mankind… You must know the lyrics from his most popular song [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg"]Imagine[/URL], "Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for." That is perhaps the strongest "anti-American" statement he ever made and one which could work for everyone if we just give peace a chance.[/QUOTE]
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