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<p>[QUOTE="mac266, post: 1057824, member: 26371"]Krispy, I won't bother verifying the facts you put forward, because they have absolutely nothing to do with the fact he was anti-American. They have everything to do with his pursuit of citizenship, but not with being anti-American. I think you're assuming that any citizen is automatically pro-American, which is simply not the case, otherwise you wouldn't have brought that up as a counter to my argument. </p><p><br /></p><p>Lennon was anti-American, going much beyond being anti-war. He was anti-soldier, falling in with the popular sentiment of the time which blamed Vietnam on the individual soldier. </p><p><br /></p><p>Incidentally, do you know how many times the Army has declared war or started a war? Zero. It's not in our power to do so. In fact, there are probably more anti-war people in the Army than out of it, because we have no delusions of war being romantic or "glorious." Most of us today have seen war's real side, and we'll be the last to want one. </p><p><br /></p><p>But Lennon and his beatnik, pot-smoking disciples blamed the soldier, rather than elected officials who made the decisions. We are merely an instrument, devoting our lives to the most difficult lifestyle possible to protect our freedoms. If / when we are misused, it is the fault of the politicians whom the electorate give the power to use or misuse us.</p><p><br /></p><p>That was beyond Lennon's understanding in those days. People credit him with being some type of enlightened philosopher, but in reality he was just a good musician / songwriter whose only "enlightenment" came from the ganja he was smoking.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="mac266, post: 1057824, member: 26371"]Krispy, I won't bother verifying the facts you put forward, because they have absolutely nothing to do with the fact he was anti-American. They have everything to do with his pursuit of citizenship, but not with being anti-American. I think you're assuming that any citizen is automatically pro-American, which is simply not the case, otherwise you wouldn't have brought that up as a counter to my argument. Lennon was anti-American, going much beyond being anti-war. He was anti-soldier, falling in with the popular sentiment of the time which blamed Vietnam on the individual soldier. Incidentally, do you know how many times the Army has declared war or started a war? Zero. It's not in our power to do so. In fact, there are probably more anti-war people in the Army than out of it, because we have no delusions of war being romantic or "glorious." Most of us today have seen war's real side, and we'll be the last to want one. But Lennon and his beatnik, pot-smoking disciples blamed the soldier, rather than elected officials who made the decisions. We are merely an instrument, devoting our lives to the most difficult lifestyle possible to protect our freedoms. If / when we are misused, it is the fault of the politicians whom the electorate give the power to use or misuse us. That was beyond Lennon's understanding in those days. People credit him with being some type of enlightened philosopher, but in reality he was just a good musician / songwriter whose only "enlightenment" came from the ganja he was smoking.[/QUOTE]
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