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<p>[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 7675574, member: 95174"]Great write up [USER=118358]@The Trachy Enjoyer[/USER].</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a John III tetarteron, his tetartera are not that rare , the most common being the St George Variety. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1318481[/ATTACH] </p><p><font size="6"><b> John III (Magn.) AE Tetarteron SBCV -2119 DOC 61</b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b>OBV. * in field. Three quarters length figure of Virgin nimbate and orans, wearing tunic and maphorion, turned slightly. R.</b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b>REV Full length figure of emperor wearing stemma, divitision and jeweled loros of simplified type; Holds in r. hand labarum-headed scepter, and in l. globus surmounted by patriarchal cross, which he holds by the shaft.</b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b>Weight 2.4gm</b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b>Size 18.37mm</b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="5"><b>Doc lists 4 examples with weights from 1.63 to 3.73gm and sizes from 18 to 22mm</b></font></p><p><font size="5"><br /></font></p><p>I think it is important that you point out that your tetartera article was based on Julian Bakers work and that was <u>Greece alone ( I just finished )</u> He did not disagree in the billion variation but it did not circulate in Greece in any mass therefore it was not part of the study. </p><p>I do have great respect for Julian Bakers work but I am finding it a bit hard to agree with a lot of his findings. One mint for official issues, no half issues , and the multitude of imitation tetartera created in the 13th century but the coinage was no longer important as a currency. I think the work is thorough but I disagree with the conclusions. Pagona Papadopoulou seems more focused in the time period , I am waiting for her work to be published, Pagona seems to agree with Michael Hendys work and Julian seems to be agreeing with very little of it, he seems to side with D.M. Metcalf where ever he can. </p><p><br /></p><p>We are still trying figure out Why John III imitated the gold coinage of John II? To the point the only way to determine between the two is purity of gold. John II 20 carats and John III 17 carats ( On average.) We also are still trying to figure out where he got the gold, a new vein somewhere? </p><p><br /></p><p>Eleni Lianta article discusses that in depth. Jump to conclusions for a quicker read. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.academia.edu/35195487/John_II_Comnenus_1118_43_or_John_III_Vatatzes_1222_54_Distinguishing_the_Hyperpyra_of_John_II_from_those_of_John_III_pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/35195487/John_II_Comnenus_1118_43_or_John_III_Vatatzes_1222_54_Distinguishing_the_Hyperpyra_of_John_II_from_those_of_John_III_pdf" rel="nofollow">(13) (PDF) John II Comnenus (1118-43) or John III Vatatzes (1222-54)? (Distinguishing the Hyperpyra of John II from those of John III).pdf | Eleni Lianta - Academia.edu</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 7675574, member: 95174"]Great write up [USER=118358]@The Trachy Enjoyer[/USER]. Here is a John III tetarteron, his tetartera are not that rare , the most common being the St George Variety. [ATTACH=full]1318481[/ATTACH] [SIZE=6][B] John III (Magn.) AE Tetarteron SBCV -2119 DOC 61[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][B]OBV. * in field. Three quarters length figure of Virgin nimbate and orans, wearing tunic and maphorion, turned slightly. R. REV Full length figure of emperor wearing stemma, divitision and jeweled loros of simplified type; Holds in r. hand labarum-headed scepter, and in l. globus surmounted by patriarchal cross, which he holds by the shaft. Weight 2.4gm Size 18.37mm Doc lists 4 examples with weights from 1.63 to 3.73gm and sizes from 18 to 22mm[/B] [B][/B][/SIZE] I think it is important that you point out that your tetartera article was based on Julian Bakers work and that was [U]Greece alone ( I just finished )[/U] He did not disagree in the billion variation but it did not circulate in Greece in any mass therefore it was not part of the study. I do have great respect for Julian Bakers work but I am finding it a bit hard to agree with a lot of his findings. One mint for official issues, no half issues , and the multitude of imitation tetartera created in the 13th century but the coinage was no longer important as a currency. I think the work is thorough but I disagree with the conclusions. Pagona Papadopoulou seems more focused in the time period , I am waiting for her work to be published, Pagona seems to agree with Michael Hendys work and Julian seems to be agreeing with very little of it, he seems to side with D.M. Metcalf where ever he can. We are still trying figure out Why John III imitated the gold coinage of John II? To the point the only way to determine between the two is purity of gold. John II 20 carats and John III 17 carats ( On average.) We also are still trying to figure out where he got the gold, a new vein somewhere? Eleni Lianta article discusses that in depth. Jump to conclusions for a quicker read. [URL='https://www.academia.edu/35195487/John_II_Comnenus_1118_43_or_John_III_Vatatzes_1222_54_Distinguishing_the_Hyperpyra_of_John_II_from_those_of_John_III_pdf'](13) (PDF) John II Comnenus (1118-43) or John III Vatatzes (1222-54)? (Distinguishing the Hyperpyra of John II from those of John III).pdf | Eleni Lianta - Academia.edu[/URL][/QUOTE]
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