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<p>[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 4385036, member: 102103"]OK, I'm not sure if anyone except me is interested in bimetallism and Japanese monetary history, but I believe my explanation yesterday for why Japan increased the weight of its subsidiary yen coins was incorrect. What I believe now:</p><p><br /></p><p>1) The yen was a brand new currency in 1870, and there was a lot of uncertainty as to how to manage gold/silver and paper money simultaneously.</p><p><br /></p><p>2) The worldwide price of gold was on a sharp upswing in the 1870s compared to silver. Japan had tremendous trouble keeping gold 1, 2, 5, 10 and 20 yen coins in circulation while it was on a silver standard until 1897. Gold coins were either discontinued or low mintage for most years from 1874-1897. The rising price of gold would have encouraged people to hoard, export or melt any gold coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>3) The silver yen coin was full-bodied, at about 24.26 grams of silver per yen. All of the smaller silver coinage was not. They were 20 g/yen before the weight increase (1870-71) and about 21.6 g/yen afterward (1873-1906 or 1907). The smaller coins were about 20% underweight compared to the full yen coins, and would not have been accepted in foreign trade. (See table I threw together<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1104541[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>4) There was probably considerable domestic resistance to accepting the underweight subsidiary silver coinage, leading to shortages of small change. The slight weight increase may have been meant to address this and improve public acceptance of the silver small coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>5) Japan switched to a gold standard in 1897 and kept it until the Great Depression and inflationary pressures from Japan's imperial ambitions made it untenable. By the time Japan adopted the gold standard, the price of gold had approximately doubled compared to what it was in terms of silver in 1870 (<a href="https://www.kitco.com/commentaries/2016-04-28/Gold-Silver-and-the-US-Dollar-1792-1971.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.kitco.com/commentaries/2016-04-28/Gold-Silver-and-the-US-Dollar-1792-1971.html" rel="nofollow">source</a>). The gold coins were halved in weight to keep the silver coinage about the same size on the new gold standard. The 1870 implied gold/silver price ratio was 16.1:1. By 1897 with the lighter gold coins it was 32.3:1 (compared to the silver 1 yen metal content).</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1104543[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>6) The metal content of the subsidiary silver coins was reduced by about 20% in 1906-1907. By this point, Japan was on a gold standard and the silver money functioned as a "token" currency. The weight change may have been an attempt to gain more seignorage revenue from minting silver coins, or a response to the partial recovery of the price of silver compared to gold in the 1900-1906 period.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll resume posting pictures of coins instead of economic theorizing shortly![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 4385036, member: 102103"]OK, I'm not sure if anyone except me is interested in bimetallism and Japanese monetary history, but I believe my explanation yesterday for why Japan increased the weight of its subsidiary yen coins was incorrect. What I believe now: 1) The yen was a brand new currency in 1870, and there was a lot of uncertainty as to how to manage gold/silver and paper money simultaneously. 2) The worldwide price of gold was on a sharp upswing in the 1870s compared to silver. Japan had tremendous trouble keeping gold 1, 2, 5, 10 and 20 yen coins in circulation while it was on a silver standard until 1897. Gold coins were either discontinued or low mintage for most years from 1874-1897. The rising price of gold would have encouraged people to hoard, export or melt any gold coinage. 3) The silver yen coin was full-bodied, at about 24.26 grams of silver per yen. All of the smaller silver coinage was not. They were 20 g/yen before the weight increase (1870-71) and about 21.6 g/yen afterward (1873-1906 or 1907). The smaller coins were about 20% underweight compared to the full yen coins, and would not have been accepted in foreign trade. (See table I threw together:) [ATTACH=full]1104541[/ATTACH] 4) There was probably considerable domestic resistance to accepting the underweight subsidiary silver coinage, leading to shortages of small change. The slight weight increase may have been meant to address this and improve public acceptance of the silver small coins. 5) Japan switched to a gold standard in 1897 and kept it until the Great Depression and inflationary pressures from Japan's imperial ambitions made it untenable. By the time Japan adopted the gold standard, the price of gold had approximately doubled compared to what it was in terms of silver in 1870 ([URL='https://www.kitco.com/commentaries/2016-04-28/Gold-Silver-and-the-US-Dollar-1792-1971.html']source[/URL]). The gold coins were halved in weight to keep the silver coinage about the same size on the new gold standard. The 1870 implied gold/silver price ratio was 16.1:1. By 1897 with the lighter gold coins it was 32.3:1 (compared to the silver 1 yen metal content). [ATTACH=full]1104543[/ATTACH] 6) The metal content of the subsidiary silver coins was reduced by about 20% in 1906-1907. By this point, Japan was on a gold standard and the silver money functioned as a "token" currency. The weight change may have been an attempt to gain more seignorage revenue from minting silver coins, or a response to the partial recovery of the price of silver compared to gold in the 1900-1906 period. I'll resume posting pictures of coins instead of economic theorizing shortly![/QUOTE]
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