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<p>[QUOTE="Bart9349, post: 3758359, member: 5682"]Great gold coin (guinea) of James II.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the last few years, I've focused my amateur studies on the "Glorious Revolution" and the intense English / British politics of that era.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just to clarify what you wrote, it was James II's son, James III (1688-1766), who was the Old Pretender.</p><p><br /></p><p>It was James III's son, Charles Edward Stuart (1720-1788), who was the Young Pretender. Charles was also known in history as Bonnie Prince Charlie.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are the children of James III (the Old Pretender) on the obverse sides of one of my favorite medals:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1007202[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The obverse is an image of Prince Charles Edward Stuart (the Young Pretender).</p><p>The Latin inscription "Micat inter omnes" (which comes from Horace's "Odes") could be read as "He shines in the mist of all."</p><p><br /></p><p>It's been suggested that the star in this coin's field could represent Caesar's Comet. This bright comet occurred during Caesar's funerary festival and became a very convenient piece of propaganda for Augustus. It would be hoped that Charles (the Young Pretender) would bring, like Caesar, peace and stability to Rome.</p><p><br /></p><p>Or, this star could even represent the famous Star of Bethlehem, suggesting an almost messianic entitlement to the throne.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1007203[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The reverse is an image of James III's younger second son, Prince Henry. The inscription "Alter ab illo" means "The next after him." This second heir would solidify and secure the Stuart succession.</p><p><br /></p><p>Good stuff. I love the English / British history and numismatics of this period (1688-1837). There are so many rich allusions to the ancients during this time. Without knowing ancient history, one would miss the significance of a lot of the literature and numismatics of that time.</p><p> </p><p><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=IQr3AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Micat+inter+omnes&source=bl&ots=mhVnr9NC3h&sig=ACfU3U2IPva6iP-wxGFeishjt7rJXu4z3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ-ISYwJDlAhUBL30KHenRDi0Q6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Micat%20inter%20omnes&f=false" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://books.google.com/books?id=IQr3AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Micat+inter+omnes&source=bl&ots=mhVnr9NC3h&sig=ACfU3U2IPva6iP-wxGFeishjt7rJXu4z3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ-ISYwJDlAhUBL30KHenRDi0Q6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Micat%20inter%20omnes&f=false" rel="nofollow">https://books.google.com/books?id=IQr3AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Micat+inter+omnes&source=bl&ots=mhVnr9NC3h&sig=ACfU3U2IPva6iP-wxGFeishjt7rJXu4z3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ-ISYwJDlAhUBL30KHenRDi0Q6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Micat inter omnes&f=false</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bart9349, post: 3758359, member: 5682"]Great gold coin (guinea) of James II. In the last few years, I've focused my amateur studies on the "Glorious Revolution" and the intense English / British politics of that era. Just to clarify what you wrote, it was James II's son, James III (1688-1766), who was the Old Pretender. It was James III's son, Charles Edward Stuart (1720-1788), who was the Young Pretender. Charles was also known in history as Bonnie Prince Charlie. Here are the children of James III (the Old Pretender) on the obverse sides of one of my favorite medals: [ATTACH=full]1007202[/ATTACH] The obverse is an image of Prince Charles Edward Stuart (the Young Pretender). The Latin inscription "Micat inter omnes" (which comes from Horace's "Odes") could be read as "He shines in the mist of all." It's been suggested that the star in this coin's field could represent Caesar's Comet. This bright comet occurred during Caesar's funerary festival and became a very convenient piece of propaganda for Augustus. It would be hoped that Charles (the Young Pretender) would bring, like Caesar, peace and stability to Rome. Or, this star could even represent the famous Star of Bethlehem, suggesting an almost messianic entitlement to the throne. [ATTACH=full]1007203[/ATTACH] The reverse is an image of James III's younger second son, Prince Henry. The inscription "Alter ab illo" means "The next after him." This second heir would solidify and secure the Stuart succession. Good stuff. I love the English / British history and numismatics of this period (1688-1837). There are so many rich allusions to the ancients during this time. Without knowing ancient history, one would miss the significance of a lot of the literature and numismatics of that time. [URL='https://books.google.com/books?id=IQr3AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Micat+inter+omnes&source=bl&ots=mhVnr9NC3h&sig=ACfU3U2IPva6iP-wxGFeishjt7rJXu4z3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ-ISYwJDlAhUBL30KHenRDi0Q6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Micat%20inter%20omnes&f=false']https://books.google.com/books?id=IQr3AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Micat+inter+omnes&source=bl&ots=mhVnr9NC3h&sig=ACfU3U2IPva6iP-wxGFeishjt7rJXu4z3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ-ISYwJDlAhUBL30KHenRDi0Q6AEwCXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Micat inter omnes&f=false[/URL][/QUOTE]
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