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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 7851980, member: 24314&quot;]johnmilton, posted: &quot;And I have seen CAC approve of MS-64 graded coins that were really AU-58s. The difference in price is close to $10,000. In one case that drove me from buying expensive U.S. coins...&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Expensive and rare coins often are &quot;fudged.&quot;&nbsp; Apparently, that AU coin was REALLY a commercial 64 or less common coin that JA would stand behind.&nbsp; </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">What TPGS wants to be critical on a good looking common Washington quarter?&nbsp; I have this argument all the time.&nbsp; I say coin grades X.&nbsp; Professional ex-dealer grader says MS or higher MS than I assign.&nbsp; His argument is that the coin is a common 1986, 1987, etc. SE or similar common coin.&nbsp; UNFORTUNATELY, one day that 1986, 1987, etc. SE graded MS-70 by the commercial grading &quot;EX-Pert&quot; is now worth $$$$ AND IT IS NOT a 70!</span></i>&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Jaelus, posted: &quot;It is more than likely really a 64. [<span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><i>YES, the coin was a 64</i></span>]Penalizing a coin from a 67 all the way down to a 58 for having just the slightest touch of barely noticable high point wear while an inferior baggy coin gets only few points deducted is a glaring flaw in the grading system. [<i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Thanks for making the argument why collectors NEED to know how to grade for themselves so they don&#039;t pay for commercial sliders that make the coin market go around.&nbsp; You see, in some series of vintage coins, MS is very rare so to service collectors AU&#039;s MUST BE SOLD AS MS.</span></i>]&nbsp; <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 0)">Technical grading is an antiquated practice which has long been replaced by pragmatic common sense market grading.</span></b>&nbsp; <i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">[News Flash: Dah,<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie104" alt=":yawn:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.&nbsp; Thanks Mr. Obvious.&nbsp; True Technical grading has been <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie40" alt=":dead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> dead a very long time BECAUSE it did not work in the coin market.&nbsp; It took the wiggle <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> room away from coin dealers and allowed them to please customers who learned to purchase the highest grade they can afford.&nbsp; Commercial grading was a great system that made both the buyer and the seller happy! Who can fault that.&nbsp; So, call it technical grading, conservative grading, ignorant grading, etc; but some folks want the best.&nbsp; You my friend, can be satisfied with whatever you like and more power to you. BTW, in the way of the world, as soon as </span></i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><i>all the old timers are dead, the new collectors will all be trained that attractive sliders are MS. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />]&nbsp; </i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">CAC validating a technical grade for a market graded coin is the height of idiocy. Of course the grade doesn&#039;t match when different standards are applied.&quot; </span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Rather than your <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> expert opinion of CAC idiocy, it is more likely that</span><b><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)"> CAC did not bean a coin they considered to be OVERGRADED as a 64. </span></b></i> <i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Just the fact that the post was removed PROVES IT enough for me.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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