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<p>[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 3552332, member: 91461"]ln my search to further understand (and obtain) Macedonian shield coins I have recently acquired a true "key date" coin of the bronze type (your welcome modern collectors, I've dumbed it down for you to understand<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie103" alt=":yack:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I kid, I kid).</p><p>Not easily acquired, only 1 of the type has been shown here on coin talk. So I have every right to blame [USER=57495]@zumbly[/USER] for this superb acquisition (thanks for sharing, buddy<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />).</p><p>But first a little history:</p><p>As Greek power waivered during the rise of Rome, it seemed natural that Rome would pick off the descendants of the diadochi, with Macedon first. However, Rome would not fight an unjust war. And genuinely appeared not to have desire nor reason to fight the Greeks. Nevertheless, history unfolded in a way that Rome couldn't have planned better had they set out for complete conquest of Greece.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]944049[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Reason came for the first Macedonian war with Rome, 214 BCE, thanks to Philip V taking sides with Hannibal. It was something equivalent to what Alfred Hitchcock called a Mcguffin. It moved the plot forward for Rome to fight Carthage, while distracting and keeping Macedon busy in small skirmishes. With nothing coming of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]944032[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The second war between the 2 powers was again instigated by Philip V. However, this time it was much more bloody and one it appeared Rome would lose. Typical of Rome at this time, ended with a Roman victory causing Phil to agree to no longer medal in affairs outside of Macedon.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]944058[/ATTACH] </p><p>Upon the death of Philip V his son, Perseus, made moves against his neighbors as well as Rome. Bad idea Percy.</p><p>Rome would eventually snuff out the resistance brought by Perseus and end the rule of the last King of macedon, but suffered heavy loses early. And according to Livy much of this was due to a recent addition in Macedonian weaponry:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>"They suffered (the Romans) mainly from the cestrosphendons, a novel kind of weapon invented during the war. It consisted of a pointed iron head of two palms long, fastened to a shaft made of pinewood, a span in length and as thick as a man´s finger. Round the shaft three feathers were fastened as in the case of arrows, and the sling was held by two <b>scutale</b>, one shorter than the other. When the missile was poised in the center of the sling, the slinger whirled it round with great force and it flew out like a leaden bullet. Many of the soldiers were wounded by these and by missiles of all kinds."</i></p><p> Livy xlii.65.9</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]944042[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>(Artists rendering of what this may have looked like)</p><p><br /></p><p>Bringing us to my latest acquisition.</p><p>A coin, most likey, inspired by this battlefield innovation:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]944045[/ATTACH] </p><p>(Seller's pic)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]944048[/ATTACH]</p><p>(My pic)</p><p><b>Thessalian League, Thessaly, Greece, c. 170 B.C.</b> GB84862. Bronze chalkous, Warren, "Two Notes," <i>NC</i> <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/x-apple-data-detectors://0" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/x-apple-data-detectors://0">1961, pl. I</a>, 11; BCD Thessaly II 24.2; HGC 4 236; Rogers 4 var., VF, dark green patina, cleaning scratches, earthen deposits, Demetrias(?) mint, weight 2.535g, maximum diameter 14.7mm, c. 170 B.C.; obverse Macedonian shield with star in central boss; reverse kestrosphendone (dart sling) with dart inside, ΘEΣΣA/ΛΩN divided in two lines, the first above, ending below; ex John Jencek; </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>The object on the reverse was long considered somewhat mysterious. Roger identified it as a lyre. Robinson suggested a diadem or more probably a sling. Warren argued it is a stylized depiction of a dart sling, or Kestrosphendone, a weapon first introduced during the Third Macedonian War between Rome and Perseus of Macedon. Warren suggests this type was struck at Demetrias, under orders from Perseus, to commemorate the success of the weapon.</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is another recent acquisition from Macedon minted the year after the end of the 3rd war as Rome conquered and divided Macedon into 4 client republic's:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]944053[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Roman Republican Period</p><p>167-165 B.C. Æ Unit.</p><p>22 mm. 9.43 grams.</p><p>Obverse: Facing mask of Silenos with pointed ears, wearing ivy wreath.</p><p>Reverse: MAKE / ΔΟΝΩΝ in two lines within oak wreath. SNG Copenhagen 1324-6; MacKay pl. III, 10; Touratsoglou, Macedonia 25.Ver y Fine. Dark earthen patina.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, please post all your coins of early Rome/late Macedon during their wars, coins with innovative weaponry, shield coins or whatever you fancy to add to this thread.</p><p>And don't forget...</p><p><br /></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]h2iEulpX910[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 3552332, member: 91461"]ln my search to further understand (and obtain) Macedonian shield coins I have recently acquired a true "key date" coin of the bronze type (your welcome modern collectors, I've dumbed it down for you to understand:yack: I kid, I kid). Not easily acquired, only 1 of the type has been shown here on coin talk. So I have every right to blame [USER=57495]@zumbly[/USER] for this superb acquisition (thanks for sharing, buddy:)). But first a little history: As Greek power waivered during the rise of Rome, it seemed natural that Rome would pick off the descendants of the diadochi, with Macedon first. However, Rome would not fight an unjust war. And genuinely appeared not to have desire nor reason to fight the Greeks. Nevertheless, history unfolded in a way that Rome couldn't have planned better had they set out for complete conquest of Greece. [ATTACH=full]944049[/ATTACH] Reason came for the first Macedonian war with Rome, 214 BCE, thanks to Philip V taking sides with Hannibal. It was something equivalent to what Alfred Hitchcock called a Mcguffin. It moved the plot forward for Rome to fight Carthage, while distracting and keeping Macedon busy in small skirmishes. With nothing coming of it. [ATTACH=full]944032[/ATTACH] The second war between the 2 powers was again instigated by Philip V. However, this time it was much more bloody and one it appeared Rome would lose. Typical of Rome at this time, ended with a Roman victory causing Phil to agree to no longer medal in affairs outside of Macedon. [ATTACH=full]944058[/ATTACH] Upon the death of Philip V his son, Perseus, made moves against his neighbors as well as Rome. Bad idea Percy. Rome would eventually snuff out the resistance brought by Perseus and end the rule of the last King of macedon, but suffered heavy loses early. And according to Livy much of this was due to a recent addition in Macedonian weaponry: [I]"They suffered (the Romans) mainly from the cestrosphendons, a novel kind of weapon invented during the war. It consisted of a pointed iron head of two palms long, fastened to a shaft made of pinewood, a span in length and as thick as a man´s finger. Round the shaft three feathers were fastened as in the case of arrows, and the sling was held by two [B]scutale[/B], one shorter than the other. When the missile was poised in the center of the sling, the slinger whirled it round with great force and it flew out like a leaden bullet. Many of the soldiers were wounded by these and by missiles of all kinds."[/I] Livy xlii.65.9 [ATTACH=full]944042[/ATTACH] (Artists rendering of what this may have looked like) Bringing us to my latest acquisition. A coin, most likey, inspired by this battlefield innovation: [ATTACH=full]944045[/ATTACH] (Seller's pic) [ATTACH=full]944048[/ATTACH] (My pic) [B]Thessalian League, Thessaly, Greece, c. 170 B.C.[/B] GB84862. Bronze chalkous, Warren, "Two Notes," [I]NC[/I] [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/x-apple-data-detectors://0']1961, pl. I[/URL], 11; BCD Thessaly II 24.2; HGC 4 236; Rogers 4 var., VF, dark green patina, cleaning scratches, earthen deposits, Demetrias(?) mint, weight 2.535g, maximum diameter 14.7mm, c. 170 B.C.; obverse Macedonian shield with star in central boss; reverse kestrosphendone (dart sling) with dart inside, ΘEΣΣA/ΛΩN divided in two lines, the first above, ending below; ex John Jencek; [I]The object on the reverse was long considered somewhat mysterious. Roger identified it as a lyre. Robinson suggested a diadem or more probably a sling. Warren argued it is a stylized depiction of a dart sling, or Kestrosphendone, a weapon first introduced during the Third Macedonian War between Rome and Perseus of Macedon. Warren suggests this type was struck at Demetrias, under orders from Perseus, to commemorate the success of the weapon.[/I] Here is another recent acquisition from Macedon minted the year after the end of the 3rd war as Rome conquered and divided Macedon into 4 client republic's: [ATTACH=full]944053[/ATTACH] Roman Republican Period 167-165 B.C. Æ Unit. 22 mm. 9.43 grams. Obverse: Facing mask of Silenos with pointed ears, wearing ivy wreath. Reverse: MAKE / ΔΟΝΩΝ in two lines within oak wreath. SNG Copenhagen 1324-6; MacKay pl. III, 10; Touratsoglou, Macedonia 25.Ver y Fine. Dark earthen patina. So, please post all your coins of early Rome/late Macedon during their wars, coins with innovative weaponry, shield coins or whatever you fancy to add to this thread. And don't forget... [MEDIA=youtube]h2iEulpX910[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]
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