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<p>[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 3253659, member: 27832"]I think you're off-base (sorry) here.</p><p><br /></p><p>1 is questionable -- humidity catalyzes <i>some</i> oxidation reactions, notably "rusting", and light can drive <i>some</i> oxidations, but often just by raising the temperature.</p><p><br /></p><p>2 is flat-out wrong. Acetic acid is <i>not</i> an oxidizing agent, not any more than water is. (Sure, a strong enough <i>reducing</i> agent will take oxygen from acetic acid, but the same is true of acetone, or water.) Mostly, it's just an acid, and not a very strong one. (Oh, and "amino acids" is a red herring. They have nothing to do with this chemical system.)</p><p><br /></p><p>If acetone really <i>is</i> being converted to acetic acid, it's because the acetone is being <i>oxidized by air</i> in the presence of copper, light, and humidity. It's a very harsh oxidation, if it's enough to tear off one carbon from the molecule's backbone. I don't know what level of illumination they used in the cited study, but I'll bet it was a lot stronger than direct outdoor sunlight, which in turn is a lot stronger (because it includes UV) than direct sunlight coming in through a window, which in turn is literally ten to a hundred times more intense than normal indoor lighting.</p><p><br /></p><p>Even if you do get acetic acid, that by itself isn't going to attack copper. It needs an <i>actual</i> oxidizing agent. Copper is lower on the activity diagram than hydrogen, so it isn't attacked by a simple acid. Nitric acid does attack it, because that <i>is</i> an oxidizer as well as an acid.</p><p><br /></p><p>What even dilute acetic acid <i>will</i> do, slowly, is dissolve copper oxide, that brown layer that makes the copper look "normal". It's not <i>reducing</i> it (removing oxygen from it), it's <i>turning it into a soluble compound</i>, copper acetate, and washing it away. <i>That</i> will leave the copper "looking funny".</p><p><br /></p><p>But I suspect what <i>really</i> happened with those copper coins Doug and others have seen is that the acetone, pure and uncontaminated, removed a layer of foreign material that <i>looked</i> like oxidized copper (producing an immediate color change), or removed a layer that was protecting a completely <i>unoxidized</i> copper surface, which quickly turned once it was exposed to air (and humidity and whatever else that air carried). But, of course, I wasn't there with a fully-equipped lab, so my <i>opinion</i> is only that.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 3253659, member: 27832"]I think you're off-base (sorry) here. 1 is questionable -- humidity catalyzes [I]some[/I] oxidation reactions, notably "rusting", and light can drive [I]some[/I] oxidations, but often just by raising the temperature. 2 is flat-out wrong. Acetic acid is [I]not[/I] an oxidizing agent, not any more than water is. (Sure, a strong enough [I]reducing[/I] agent will take oxygen from acetic acid, but the same is true of acetone, or water.) Mostly, it's just an acid, and not a very strong one. (Oh, and "amino acids" is a red herring. They have nothing to do with this chemical system.) If acetone really [I]is[/I] being converted to acetic acid, it's because the acetone is being [I]oxidized by air[/I] in the presence of copper, light, and humidity. It's a very harsh oxidation, if it's enough to tear off one carbon from the molecule's backbone. I don't know what level of illumination they used in the cited study, but I'll bet it was a lot stronger than direct outdoor sunlight, which in turn is a lot stronger (because it includes UV) than direct sunlight coming in through a window, which in turn is literally ten to a hundred times more intense than normal indoor lighting. Even if you do get acetic acid, that by itself isn't going to attack copper. It needs an [I]actual[/I] oxidizing agent. Copper is lower on the activity diagram than hydrogen, so it isn't attacked by a simple acid. Nitric acid does attack it, because that [I]is[/I] an oxidizer as well as an acid. What even dilute acetic acid [I]will[/I] do, slowly, is dissolve copper oxide, that brown layer that makes the copper look "normal". It's not [I]reducing[/I] it (removing oxygen from it), it's [I]turning it into a soluble compound[/I], copper acetate, and washing it away. [I]That[/I] will leave the copper "looking funny". But I suspect what [I]really[/I] happened with those copper coins Doug and others have seen is that the acetone, pure and uncontaminated, removed a layer of foreign material that [I]looked[/I] like oxidized copper (producing an immediate color change), or removed a layer that was protecting a completely [I]unoxidized[/I] copper surface, which quickly turned once it was exposed to air (and humidity and whatever else that air carried). But, of course, I wasn't there with a fully-equipped lab, so my [I]opinion[/I] is only that.[/QUOTE]
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