Is this what I think it is?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Magnus Maximus, May 29, 2016.

  1. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Hi folks,
    I was bottom feeding on eBay today after I lost a Valens Siliqua, much to my surprise I saw this!
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    I think the mint mark says Tertia or 3rd, referring to the officinae workshop at Rome.
    I checked Warren's page to make across reference but he did not have an specific example for Gratian. Perhaps it's rare?
    The bad news is that I think it has a spot of BD on Gratian's shoulder.
    I had better pick up some verdicare then.:oops:

    So is it what I think it is and if so does it have BD?
     
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  3. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Saw this one but I had my eyes on a few other coins so I pass this by. Interesting catch.
     
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  4. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Thanks.
    Man that would have been odd for us to be bidding against each other for this coin.
     
  5. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Good news from the dealer. The coin is BD FREEEEEE!
    "No its not bronze disease , the bronze disease is light green powdery thing , this is solid and i had the coin for over five years if it was bronze disease it would have eaten it by now . thanks for your purchase hope you enjoy the coin specially with the variety it has in the obverse legend letters"


    Who's for a drink!

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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Congrats my friend. I'll tip a glass to you and the coin.
     
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  7. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Rome has rather distinct portraits for the emperors of this time period. Here's my Gratian AE2 of Rome:

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    Interestingly enough it has the same black/sand patina combo as my rare Justinian half-follis, also from Rome and struck 160-ish years later.

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  8. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Nice pair.
    Rome also has a very distinct style for their Siliquae as well.
    Not my coin but you can see the distict hair style. Compare this to my coin from Antioch with a bowl haircut.
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  9. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    If we are talking bowl haircuts, plenty can be found on Italian coins of the Ostrogoth and early Byzantine periods. Here's a Justinian pentanummium from my collection that definitely is sporting this hairstyle (mint is probably Rome but definitely Italian based on style).

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    My half follis above has it as well but the detail from the hair is mostly gone.
     
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  10. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Very nice. Eventually sometime this summer I hope to acquire a few "Byzantine" Siliquae from Italy.
     
  11. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Speak of the devil I have one of those too :D (actually a half-siliqua)! Kinda junky but it was what I could afford at that moment and I really wanted one. I also need to shoot my own photos of it. Its a Justinian from Ravenna.

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  12. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    I like it!!
    I am looking at a half Siliqua at the moment actually, though it's from a Western Roman Emperor.
     
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  13. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    As you said, these types are from Rome and were issued for Valentinian I, Valens and Gratian on the GLORIA ROMANORVM, and SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE type bronzes. They have either RPRIMA (first), RSECVNDA (second), RTERTIA (third) and RQVARTA (fourth) mint-marks. Unfortunately RIC just groups them all together and calls them Scarce. It's unknown what the true rarity is for any particular Emperor or workshop. I personally think the QVARTA type are the toughest to find, but that's just my opinion.
     
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  14. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Congrats Mag-Max!!! that's a wonderful coin!!!
     
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  15. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Thanks guys!
    I paid a grand total of $8.50 for it :D
    Go me!:)
     
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  16. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    i love a good bargain bin score, nice MM!

    here's my only gratian, a nice AE 2....


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  17. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    Nice find. Love eBay and love bottom feeding.
     
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  18. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Easily my best unattributed find from eBay. Got a great deal on it.

    Domitian, Roman Empire (revalued under the Ostrogothic Kingdom)
    AE as/42 nummi
    Obv: CAESAR AVG F DOMITIAN COS II, laureate head left, countermark XLII (42) in left field
    Rev: VICTORIA AVGVST, Victory advancing right, standing on prow, holding wreath and palm branch, S-C across fields
    Mint: Rome (struck 73-74 AD; revalued 498-526 AD)
    Ref: RIC 677

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  19. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Congrats on your OP-score ... oh, and great thread-additions, coin fellas

    Yah, these two are definitely amongst my most humble examples ...


    :oops::oops:

    Valens
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    Gratian

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    ... oh well, $20 each (delivered)

    Not great, but not horrible (*tick* on both of these Roman rulers)
     
  20. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Love the detail on this one Chris, most of all the bust.
     
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  21. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    If we are posting AE-2s now, then you guys can excuse me for posting this beauty.
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