Featured Is This What Alexander the Great Looked Like? A Diadochi Tetradrachm

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  1. DBDc80

    DBDc80 Numismatist

    Thanks! Yes....nice, even cabinet tone is my favorite for sure! Really brings out the design on these coins.
     
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  3. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Fantastic coin and awesome write up!!!
     
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  4. ShannaS

    ShannaS Active Member

    Very informative post. I enjoyed reading it and thanks for sharing!
     
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  5. ljc4457

    ljc4457 New Member

    But why does he have horns? It's a beautiful piece, I would love to acquire something similar.
     
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  6. stevex6

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  7. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    @stevex6 beat me to the punch and he's totally right.

    The horn was associated with the Egyptian god Ammon (or Amun) who is often shown with horns of a Ram. The horns represented the Gods masculinity.

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    A major worship center for Ammon was at Siwa which I have pictured in my OP. The reason Alexander has horns on the coin is because when he visited Siwa after conquering Egypt he was hailed as Ammons son there.

    But why did Alexander (a Greek) want to be associated with an Egyptian god? Ammon was well known to the Greeks from a very early time due to the contact between the Greek colony Cyrene and Siwa. They equated him with Zues and so Alexander was rather modestly ;) claiming he was the son of Zues.
     
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  8. ShannaS

    ShannaS Active Member

    Here is mine edited on my site. Nice article by the way, I enjoyed reading it.
     

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  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I just took a look at your gallery. Great images - nice coins
     
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I visited Siwa oasis a couple of years back. Great place but it gets pretty hot in summer. I visited the temple of Amun and and the oracle. Didn't get any hot tips from the oracle though.

    For what Alexander looked like, I like this representation from a Roman villa:

    Alexander_the_Great_mosaic.jpg
     
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  11. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    That as an excellent write-up and some really beautiful coins from one of the most influential and charismatic historical figures ever.

    I profess total ignorance about the portrait on the coins though. None (or very few) of the descriptions state portrait of Alexander III. They invariable state Head of Heracles. So who is it Alexander or Heracles??

    Sorry for the stupid question.
     
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  12. ShannaS

    ShannaS Active Member

    Thank you!
     
  13. tenacious

    tenacious Member

    If anyone wants to read an excellent in depth study, (500 pages long), on Alexander's image on statues, coins, medals, paintings etc., and the embedded symbolism in those images, Andrew Stewart's Faces of Power is a must read! It's well worth the reading effort and the cost of the book. The reader is well rewarded with surprising insights and information.

    Bryn Mawr Classical Review:
    http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1995/95.02.09.html

    Amazon:
    https://www.amazon.com/Faces-Power-Alexanders-Hellenistic-Politics/dp/0520068513
     
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  14. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    Terribly familiar coin. Did you buy this about 10-11 years ago per chance?
     
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  15. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    Not a stupid question at all. There is actually a lot of controversy about when images of Alexander first started appearing on coins.

    If you look at the chart I posted in my OP the No. 1 tetradrachm is usually considered to show Heracles. It was a well established type showing Heracles well before Alexander was even born but some scholars claim that during Alexander's reign the features on the obverse started to resemble Alexander. This might be true of some of the mints in Asia but most agree that it was never officially recognized as Alexander.

    This type is Heracles (beautiful image borrowed from @TIF :))
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    These next show Alexander and were struck by his successors after his death to associate themselves with his legacy

    Lysimachus King of Thrace
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    Ptolemy I King of Egypt (another TIF coin - her coins are great for illustrations)
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    Notice that both have horns ;)
     
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  16. 1934 Wreath Crown

    1934 Wreath Crown Well-Known Member

    Also the features in the last two are different. And the face appears to be more chubby as well.
     
  17. ShannaS

    ShannaS Active Member

    This is actually a consignment from one of the CoinTalk regulars. It has a pedigree from a Nomos FPL 2015. He may have gotten it there but I can't say for certain since it isn't my coin. Before that it was in Roma I believe.
     
  18. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    I think most of that just comes down to the individual style and skill of the engraver. Remember that a lot of mints across the Hellenistic Empires were producing these before and after Alexander's death. Some mints might have had contemporary sculptures or paintings to use as models but others may have just had to use thier imagination or model off of other coins. You can see how variations can quickly emerge.
     
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I would love to go to Siwa. A VERY pivotal experience in Alexander's life.
     
  20. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Siwa is a very interesting place. I was able to procure lodging for 30 Egyptian pounds per night (about $5.20) so I stayed for three days. The central part of town is dominated by a medieval mud brick qasr that is illuminated by night. After my visit to the oracle in the temple (basically it's a niche) I enjoyed a nice meal of roast chicken washed down with a beer as I enjoyed the glow of the qasr at in the evening. By then it had cooled off to the mid-eighties. It's a bit of a frontier town with both berber and arab influences. Somebody swiped my phone out of my backpack when I first arrived, so no pictures (boo-hoo).
     
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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Fun. I have had only a camera swiped in all my travels worldwide about 5 million air miles). I count myself INCREDIBLY lucky. When I lived in the UK, I had a Nile Cruise and Siwa side trip Holiday booked for my family. Alas, 911 hit a couple weeks before my trip. At that point, our Embassy considered me a prime target, and I regretfully cancelled.
     
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