Is this true?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by C-B-D, Nov 19, 2013.

  1. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Error VS variety has been debated for decades I think.

    Lets post some photos depicting die cracks. Here is an 1885 V-Nickel with a die crack on the obverse:





    1885 die crack.jpg
    Obverse 5.jpg


    Here is what happens when the die crack evolves into a cud.
     
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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Shattered dies are essentially a bunch of die cracks and die breaks, does that mean that shattered dies do not count as mint errors?
     
  4. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Franklin Cud Slab.JPG Here is a cud you may not have seen before. It is FHDC-54D-1.
     
  5. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Please post a shattered die photo if you have one.
     
  6. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Here is one I have personally owned and photographed myself, and more info...http://error-ref.com/Numerous_intersecting_bi-level_die_cracks.html
    http://error-ref.com/Broas_Brothers_Pie_Bakers_Shattered_Die.html
    Definition, according to error-ref.com...
    1863 CWT obv:rev.png
     
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  7. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    GDJMSP do you still have the image of the mounted knight with the die crack?
     
  8. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Put me in the I like Die break coins . I'm still sorry I got overbid on a common CWT with the most die cracks and clash marks I've ever seen on a coin or token . I swear I don't know how that die held up to make so many of this late die state , but it definitely raised the price . Though I don't think I would pay more for a O-104b than a O-104a . Where do we draw the line . Are we going to start issuing letters for the length the stars next .
     
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  9. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Dang , I didn't see non-cents post , that's the CWT I was bidding on though the breaks and clashing were at least double of that coin .
     
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If this is the coin you mean Bill, reasonably certain that the line in the fields at 6 o'clock is not a die crack but a die scratch. Or possibly a centering mark used by the die sinker.

    1364 Cavalier D\'Or obv.jpg
     
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  11. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Yes that's it! Whatever it is, it still looks like he's taking a whizz. :p Thanks for posting it. Guess both our memories are still intact.
     
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  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  13. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I am in the die cracks are cool category - not a mint error, but as Doug mentioned a flaw. On modern coinage - no offense to anyone - I can see them as being undesirable for a collection. Yet I still have a couple that I think are cool. For modern coin maybe impacting the price of the coin. Now for classic coinage I don't think it hurts the price and in some cases increases the price.

    As for die clashes - I don't think of them as mint errors either. I think some of them are cool also. I have a dollar coin where you can read liberty on the reverse.

    Here is one bought solely for all the die cracks:

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Hmmmm. It is my understanding that a "die crack" is the result of the "state of the die" much the same that a "worn die" (which produces doubling) is.

    So, my feeling is that a "die crack" is no more a mint error than "die deterioration doubling".
     
  15. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    My vote is for normal die wear, not an error.
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2013
  16. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

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  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Bill die cracks are rarely straight lines like that. So when you see a raised straight line on a coin it's usually been caused by something else happening to the die.
     
  18. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    I know. It was the coin image that "was it." I try to minimize my words too much since posting with a cell phone. Sorry about the confusion.
     
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