Is this the result of PVC damage?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by JCro57, May 22, 2018.

  1. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    This is a clad SBA and not even 20 years old. Are these green pitting marks/spots the result of PVC damage? I think so, but I would love people with knowledge of PVC damage to chime in. There are spots on both the obverse and reverse. Thank you for any help you can offer.

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  3. JCro57

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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Does the NGC label have a Details grade?
     
  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'd think it could be PVC, or acid from any other source spattered on the coin.
     
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  6. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    No. But I have seen some with known PVC and didn't get a details grade. I just didn't know if that actually is what it would look like on a smaller scale
     
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  7. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I agree. Something appears to have started to corrode the coin and the blue-green spot looks like it could by residue from the PVC platicizer. If it's due to PVC, then it will continue to get worse.
     
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  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    98% sure. The initial transfer could have so small at grading that it was not noticed. If it has only become apparent after slabbing. I would assume some moisture is getting to the original loci it will continue to develop. If it is kept in a sealed container with desiccators most of time, it will limit the enlargement of such.
     
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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    What?

    Definition please :bored:
     
  10. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

    Appears to be a small area of PVC damage.
     
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  11. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    I would contact NGC and ask if they can conserve it. Hopefully its free since it seems to have developed once slabbed
     
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  12. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    noun, plural loci
    [loh-sahy, -kee, -kahy] (Show IPA), loca
    1.a place; locality.

    desiccator

    [des-i-key-ter]


    1.
    an apparatus for drying fruit, milk, etc.
    2.
    Chemistry.
    1. an apparatus for absorbing the moisture present in a chemical substance.
    2. an airtight, usually glass container containing calcium chloride or some other drying agent for absorbing the moisture of another substance placed in the container.
    Sorry, everyday words for me, Jim
     
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  13. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I am returning it to a dealer in Indiana who is going ballistic, saying I am "ruining the industry" and getting his "group of 800 dealers (some internet group he called Roundtable) to block me from further purchases." It also had a fingerprint. The guy is not a good business person for such a reasonable concern here. I shouldn't be stuck with a damaged coin.
     
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  14. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    @JCro57 Dealer is ridiculous. Returns happen, he wants to alienate you?.....thats further business lost and from others who hear about this!
     
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  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Or, as is more common, accepted, and clear in this context:

    "Spots". ;)
     
  16. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    wow. the effort he's claiming he's going to put into his Roundtable is more than the coin is worth.

    I'd return it anyways.
     
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  17. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Well yes, except I was trying more to localize the origin of said "spots" as in they were possibly not visible as spots at that time. But I guess it doesn't matter since the dealer has gone nuclear. Certainly if the owner recently purchased it and the dealer had not described it properly, it should be accepted returned. Your loyal moderators have been mentioned several times on other coin forums also. Some good , most not :)
     
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  18. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    @JCro57 , maybe you can post the Indiana dealer who's gathering his might to ban you from the coin world. I certainly don't ever want to do business with someone who gets this worked up about a return.
     
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  19. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    His name is Sam Shafer from Indianapolis. I sent him the photos of the PVC pictured above and he won't even address it. I looked up his "Roundtable" and it came up on Facebook, with about 6 likes. Another blowhard who overstates his influence and importance in the industry. I have talked to several dealers and no one has heard of him nor his "Roundtable."

    Please keep in mind, he made these threats and blew up at me simply because we disagree about whether or not it was a fingerprint.


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  20. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Perhaps he's talking about his round seat. Or its lid.
     
  21. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    That must be one huge round table to have 800 people around it. It would have to be about an acre in space (I didn't do the calculation). A tremendous waste of wood. Maybe sick the environmentalists on him. All tongue in cheek of course.
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