Is this really unc?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by rlm's cents, Apr 30, 2007.

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  1. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Doug,
    Any chance you think the coin may have been whizzed at one point, and retoned over time? The surface looks extremely unnatural to me.
     
    zaneman, Apr 30, 2007
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  3. jumpingrat

    jumpingrat Senior Member

    That woodgrain effect was not uncommon in the early teens as Treashunt stated, the only problem I have is with the grade. 1912 cents from all 3 mints were generally well struck and although this is a bit weak on the details I don't see the wear from circulation on the high points from these photo's. What I do see is a banged up coin and the fields are hardly clean, weather that is from the planchet flaw or post mint is hard to tell from the photo. A TPG would grade it IMHO but at best MS60 and more likely AU details. Thats why I try to buy coin in hand, Too much can be lost in a photograph intentionally or not.
     
    jumpingrat, May 1, 2007
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Sorry for the delay in responding gang, I was kinda busy with a heart surgeon. But that's all finished now and hopefully I can get back to normal.

    Anyway, no Zane I do not think the coin was whizzed, I think it's just plain damage. That might be a minor planchet flaw on the between the eye and mouth, but the rest of it - I don't think so. And I think that wood grain effect on this coin is as fake as $3 bill.

    But let's look at the coin, I blew the pics up. First of all look up by WE TRUST, I think it's pretty obvious that those are scratches. Now look at the surface of the coin in the lighter colored areas - see how rough the surface is, especially on the bottom portion. But the bow tie is pretty beat up too as is the section under LIBERTY. But look at the adjoining sections, the surface is smooth there. Now look at the rim, you can see fine scratches all the way around, but especially on the right side of the coin.

    Now the reverse - scratches are visible on the rim here as well, but it is ONE CENT that is most obvious. Every single letter has small gouges taken out of the high parts. The rest of the reverse legends have the scratches too, as the fields to a lesser extent - and even the wheat stalks show them.

    And if that isn't enough to show that the coin isn't unc, then the wear and flat spots on both the obv and rev should.
     

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  5. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Is this really unc?

    Who cares -- I wouldn't wager $80 from a seller with no return policy to find out, and the mottled toning makes the coin unattractive (to me).

    That said, it doesn't appear UNC to me....Mike
     
    Leadfoot, May 2, 2007
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  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    That is the bottom line: "a seller with no return policy"
    End of story.
    Punt.
     
    Treashunt, May 2, 2007
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  7. edduns

    edduns Senior Member

    Agree

    I agree with ASCiiBAR and Treashunt - nice coin
     
    edduns, May 2, 2007
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  8. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Wooooo ...... Your not getting away with that...


    No way your going to drop a bomb like that on the public mailing list and then not give a more full describption of what you've been suffering with and how things are going.

    Email me privately if need be. Darn it, I have friends from the Net spread to 5 continents and it would be considered unaccepectable to leave such a note without further discussion in any one of those places, even in a queer society such as might exist in a foriegn land like Utah.

    The net is about friendships.... its only right to expect help from your online support group aka: Net Friends, but you have to be more fair to us than that.

    Ruben
     
    mrbrklyn, May 2, 2007
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  9. Daggarjon

    Daggarjon Supporter**

    it was nothing more then a bar fight ... GDJMSP beat him up for drinking his Gin Un-Stirred, and Un-shakken :eek:

    Sorry Doug, but kidding aside... everything cool????
     
    Daggarjon, May 3, 2007
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  10. FHDave

    FHDave Senior Member

    If this is a monitor you've purchased in the last year or two, you might be dealing with a driver mismatch. Even if it is older, that might still be the case. Most 21" monitors (especially older ones) have pretty good ability to display excellent detail. Unless you picked up a _real_ cheap one, I think you should be able to resolve this issue.

    If you want additional help, contact me separately from this thread.
     
    FHDave, May 3, 2007
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    All is well Ruben, I appreciate your concern :hug: I did not bring the subject up previously precisely because I did not wish to cause concern. Long story short - I had a major heart attack 2 weeks ago, subsequently had 2 surgeries. Everything is fixed and all is well ;) End of OT discussion.
     
    GDJMSP, May 3, 2007
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  12. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    hmmm ... concern would be a fair reaction by people who appreciate your contribution to this community. You've had a positive influence on our family here in NY and I'm sure that we would have nothing more than apropriate concerns, nothing less than you might have yourself, or you would have for us if we fell ill.

    Ruben
     
    mrbrklyn, May 3, 2007
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  13. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    I am sorry for waging in so late on this subject but here is what I see concerning the 1912-S Cent! IMHO there are a few minor scratches and a couple of Die Cracks but other than that, I can see no Post Mint damage and cannot make out any wear. What everyone is seeing as scratches, is in fact lamination striations that are and have been peeling off of the coin and are due to a severly flawed planchet. The Copper, Tin and Zinc composition did not get mixed well during the making of the planchet stock, thus the widespread (large and smaller patches) discoloration seen on the coin. If you noticed, the areas of the discoloration are the areas where the lamination striations (peeling) is most significant. If it were not for the discolorations and lamination striation peelings, then the coin would grade much higher than a MS-62!


    Frank
     
    huntsman53, May 3, 2007
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