Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by potty dollar 1878, Sep 22, 2021.
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That is not Off-Center.
I would want to see more of it to make an attribution. The edge would help. And also better lighting.
It could be struck on a Cent Planchet. The weight would determine that.
Thanks for sharing.
I have seen a few of those just not looking like copper.
Have you ever seen an Elliptical Planchet?
I'm not saying it could be one. But they are football shaped.
Example from my collection
I agree the weight and image of the rims would add a lot to the conversation. But since this is sold and not owned by anyone here that probably won't come to pass.
I have now, but this one doesn't even come close to yours. It is totally out of shape on 50-60% of the planchet. Also, with so much of the upset rim missing, you would think there would be some evidence that the opposite side might be poorly struck similar to a Blakesley Effect.
Coinworld Article- Bicentenial Quarter on 1 cent
1967 Quarter on 1 cent @ HA
IMHO, many things can affect the peripheral shape of a coin once part or all of the collar die is out of play. Die tilt, planchet size and thickness, etc. can affect the ultimate shape of a coin.
A well centered strike will leave peripheral details mushy since there is less resistance to "work" the metal into the peripheral details.
A strike with the planchet near the rim creates some reeding with strong details in the center and near the reeding.
On this coin the reverse shows weakness where the rims taper to the edges which seems appropriate.
Fred has spoken but im shocked how the seller didn't get it certified.Thats really the unusual twist,i would think so this isn't the usual regular broadstrike/off center etc that most are on the market this is something more unique.
Surprise! NGC got it totally wrong. This is a “strike clip”, not “struck on elliptical planchet”. Two very different errors.
Oh man.. Come on! I knew that.. Fred Weinberg told me what you just stated years ago. I though I could show it and get away with it
Or am I totally wrong?
With no Planchet between the 2 dies it would cause them to clash each other. There is still enough material for the amount of pressure used to strike the Cent planchet to leave the needed detail.
As you can see there is also a reeded edge on the coin in question. The planchet entered the chamber close to the 3rd collar, the retaining collar and enough pressure was given by the 2 dies to push the metal towards the collar.
I'm leaning toward PMD. I'm no expert, bit I can't see where an accidental sticking of a cent planchet would have enough material to give the surface detail seen in the example. I would expect the devices to be much flatter and more "mushy".
Or am I totally wrong?"
Since what this coin is has been posted above, I guess you must be totally wrong. Mike, where do you see any damage on the quarter?
While I really like the fact that you question what others have said and both of us "learn something every day"...
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