Is this really an error coin?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by potty dollar 1878, Sep 22, 2021.

  1. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Just saw a recent article about this even though it sold basically a month and a half ago.IF its such a magnificent error coin why not certified?Which is my first suspicion against it unless it is now.If I saw this i would be running for the hills!!!.There was a total of 28 bids i guess risk it for the biscuit(bidiots!! or just a bad deal?). 20210922_084700.jpg 20210922_085537.jpg
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Interesting.
    That is not Off-Center.
    I would want to see more of it to make an attribution. The edge would help. And also better lighting.
    It could be struck on a Cent Planchet. The weight would determine that.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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  4. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    That looks suspiciously like the coins I saw marketed not long ago that were ground down to be used as guitar picks.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I'm trying to imagine how a planchet looking like this was punched out of the sheet of coin metal. I'm on the PMD side primarily because it was not certified.
     
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  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I have seen a few of those just not looking like copper.
     
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    As Paddy said. Weight would be a major factor.
     
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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Have you ever seen an Elliptical Planchet?
    I'm not saying it could be one. But they are football shaped.

    Example from my collection
    01.jpg 02.jpg 03.jpg
     
  9. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Active Member

    It has a lot of markers for being struck on a 1 cent planchet.

    I agree the weight and image of the rims would add a lot to the conversation. But since this is sold and not owned by anyone here that probably won't come to pass.
     
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  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I have now, but this one doesn't even come close to yours. It is totally out of shape on 50-60% of the planchet. Also, with so much of the upset rim missing, you would think there would be some evidence that the opposite side might be poorly struck similar to a Blakesley Effect.
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    very questionable
     
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  12. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    It's a genuine '69 Quarter on a Cent Planchet
     
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  13. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Active Member

    For comparison-

    Coinworld Article- Bicentenial Quarter on 1 cent


    1967 Quarter on 1 cent @ HA

    IMHO, many things can affect the peripheral shape of a coin once part or all of the collar die is out of play. Die tilt, planchet size and thickness, etc. can affect the ultimate shape of a coin.
    A well centered strike will leave peripheral details mushy since there is less resistance to "work" the metal into the peripheral details.

    A strike with the planchet near the rim creates some reeding with strong details in the center and near the reeding.

    On this coin the reverse shows weakness where the rims taper to the edges which seems appropriate.
     
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  14. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Fred has spoken but im shocked how the seller didn't get it certified.Thats really the unusual twist,i would think so this isn't the usual regular broadstrike/off center etc that most are on the market this is something more unique.
     
  15. Old Error Guy

    Old Error Guy Well-Known Member

    Surprise! NGC got it totally wrong. This is a “strike clip”, not “struck on elliptical planchet”. Two very different errors.
     
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  16. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Oh man.. Come on! I knew that.. Fred Weinberg told me what you just stated years ago. I though I could show it and get away with it :wacky:
     
  17. Mike Thornton

    Mike Thornton Learning something everyday.

    I'm leaning toward PMD. I'm no expert, bit I can't see where an accidental striking of a cent planchet would have enough material to give the surface detail seen in the example. I would expect the devices to be much flatter and more "mushy".
    Or am I totally wrong?
     
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  18. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Yes.
    With no Planchet between the 2 dies it would cause them to clash each other. There is still enough material for the amount of pressure used to strike the Cent planchet to leave the needed detail.

    As you can see there is also a reeded edge on the coin in question. The planchet entered the chamber close to the 3rd collar, the retaining collar and enough pressure was given by the 2 dies to push the metal towards the collar.
     
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  19. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    What paddyman states makes sense to me.
     
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  20. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Mike Thornton, posted: "I'm leaning toward PMD. I'm no expert, bit I can't see where an accidental sticking of a cent planchet would have enough material to give the surface detail seen in the example. I would expect the devices to be much flatter and more "mushy".
    Or am I totally wrong?"

    :rolleyes: Since what this coin is has been posted above, I guess you must be totally wrong. Mike, where do you see any damage on the quarter?

    While I really like the fact that you question what others have said and both of us "learn something every day"...:nailbiting:
     
  21. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I have a difficult time understanding HOW this could be done and then put into circulation, unless an employee did it as a "lark". ("Lark" is a term used to say it was done for fun.) What type of quality control does the Mint have to allow coins such as the one addressed here.
     
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