Is this pattern Error on 1918-D Standing Liberty Quarter?

Ah - now that is a coin with toning that interferes with the coin. Remind you to bring you to some Art Museums when your in town. The tones of Van Gogh are a little better at molding and shaping the image.







Ruben

 

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I agree that those photos make the strike look very substandard for an MS66. However, PCGS graded it MS66, CAC agreed, and Heritage's description says "An outstanding coin with ice-blue and olive-green peripheral toning and a spot of cherry-red at 4 o'clock on the obverse. Sharply struck with great detail." I guess it is possible that all three are wrong, but it is much more likely that this is an example of a very poor Heritage photo. No way it is a 64, I can't find one major distraction on the whole coin. I have to believe the coin is properly graded despite the fact that it lacks the one element of grading that I consider more important than any other, eye appeal.

The FH looks OK to me. The sprigs are there and I see the earhole. I can't tell if the hairline is distinct all the way down the face, but again, I think that is a product of a poor photo, hence the need for the CAC sticker. I would not bid on a $1,400 coin with that photo without the CAC sticker.

 

Believe your eyes, the sticker is wrong..btw - you just demonstrated exactly why the sticker model is an scam.


Where is Dan or Zane - they can look at it live.

Ruben

 

Yeah - this is not a problem with the photograph. This coin sucks...

Ruben

 

You guys have fantastic taste, that 1918-D is a coin that I am keeping an eye on. I think it brings a bit over $2k, the early PCGS holder will spike it a bit from what I have been watching.

The last one that sold was in a fresh holder and wasn't as nicely toned IMO (Although Lehigh would know the toning bit better than I).

As far as the OP's question goes, I think it was crud in the die or die damage, check Pg 129 of Cline's book, he outlines a couple of known die breaks on the 1918-D that show on the date, however where they show on the date are in areas worn away on your coin so it's possible that it was struck from a faulty die.

 

Ruben

I promise that Heritage has a way of taking a photo that can make actual details just disappear. Here is a Walker that sold in the 2008 February Long Beach Sale. The thing only has one wing for Pete's sake.

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=460&Lot_No=778

Ironically, the buyer of this coin is an E-Bay rainbow toned coin dealer. He is currently selling it with a BIN of $900. I find that hilarious.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1943-S-NGC-MS66-RAINBOW-WALKING-LIBERTY-HALF-DOLLAR_W0QQitemZ250312348275QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41101QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Point being that you cant always trust Heritage photos, especially with toned coins & strike.

 

Ruben,

Check the other MS66 FHs sold, the last one they sold was quite nice. That coin I agree is nasty, CAC sticker or not, it has crappy eye appeal and I would not bid on it either.

A 1929 Gem FH coin is not rare enough to justify buying one like that IMO.

 

I'm not sure were your driving at here but I think I brought a few coins on Heritage and the Walker seems to have lousy detail in both auctions.

That being said, HOW CAN YOU SEE ANY DETAIL WITH ALL THAT CORROSION on the coin. The other is at least white.

You should seriously think about buying paintings or trying some of that stuff Paul McCartney used.

Ruben

 

Its not in my budget

I could kick myself for missing that SLQ for $500 I wanted in Ct...

The head wasn't "full" but the rest of that darn coin was, shield, cloth, blocks, beads, wings, feathers.... great coin.


Ruben

 

Did it have a CAC sticker?

 

I am driving at the fact that both coins have photos that show a strike that is not consistent with an MS66 grade yet in both cases Heritage states in their description that the coins are well struck. Heritage has difficulty in showing details of strike on toned coins. Admittedly, the Walker is probably more difficult for anyone to image showing the full detail, but I bet Brandon Kelley could do it.

I never bid on that coin, I think it is hideous. I only remember it because it was a subject of a very similar thread earlier this year on the NGC forum. The result of the thread was the same, it wasn't the coin or the grade that was messed up, just the photo.

I don't do that stuff anymore and I consider rainbow toned coins to be very much like paintings. A work of art provided by nature on a silver canvas, occasionally with help from a good doctor. LOL

 

it was a raw coin

 

Waaaah! Still no answer on the probable error on the 1918-D coin I posted above. Waaaaah!

It is 6.2 grams, 24.3 mm diameter. But I like your suggestion that it may be damage - die crack? I checked the coin again there is a thin "crack" on the rim perpendicular to a thin "bump" on the edge leading to the "unusual" bead.

If the coin fell (on just that area), would it push the pattern on the rim and slice the bead? Such a clear split for a slight bump I would say. And
then again what would be the explanation for the "hollow" bead next to it. If not, the die might be guilty.

Have you guys noticed also the "hollow" bead?

Some more pictures. Hope this helps.

 

"Error" on 1918-D Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar

Hi Guys, I'm just posting this thread again in connection to the previous thread "Is this an Error on 1918-D Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar," because there was a "detour" on the topic. hahaha

I really appreciate the comments though, and hope you can continue assessing this one here. Ruben? rzage? guys? :thumb:


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Originally Posted by mrbrklyn
I'm posting them because the beads are clear, at least on the last 2 examples and they are exactly the same in that quadrant. So, assuming for the moment that the coin is not a counterfeit, there is definitely either damage or a die variation. What is strange is that it seems that there is not much wear on that point of the coin. Was it hit or was a bead sliced some how?

Ruben

Waaaah! Still no answer on the probable error on the 1918-D coin I posted above. Waaaaah!

It is 6.2 grams, 24.3 mm diameter. But I like your suggestion that it may be damage - die crack? I checked the coin again there is a thin "crack" on the rim perpendicular to a thin "bump" on the edge leading to the "unusual" bead.

If the coin fell (on just that area), would it push the pattern on the rim and slice the bead? Such a clear split for a slight bump I would say. And
then again what would be the explanation for the "hollow" bead next to it. If not, the die might be guilty.

Have you guys noticed also the "hollow" bead?

Some more pictures. Hope this helps.

 

how did you make such sharp photos?

You have to hope its a die crack because otherwise its either damage, not so good, or counterfeit....which really sucks.

Ruben

 

http://www.bowersandmerena.com/auct...o=&SearchString=&VideoFlag=&zoom=1&lotno=2093
https://secure.bowersandmerena.com/...&sessionno=3&catno=0&searchstring=&lotno=2112

http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/1918S25cClashedE.htm

 

I don't think it's a counterfeit. You think so?

The first photo was hard because I don't have much natural light to work with. The second one had much natural lighting. I just used a digital camera. Adjusted the image size to capture as much resolution as possible (will take up much filesize but it will serve the purpose), applied macro, then took the picture of the whole coin at a certain angle.

Then in photo editor like Nero, crop a portion of the picture, zoom in and then adjust Sharpen option to eliminate just a bit of the blur. Then that's it. If picture shows up small for upload, just resize.

 

BTW - FWIW

http://www.slqs.com/

 

Off hand, no. I'm not expert enough to make that judgment though.

my 7 megpx can't take that picture...

Ruben

 

My camera is also 7 megpx. Just a cheap one. :smile The Macro setting works wornders. Then the rest is technique. :smile

Thank you for your help sir. :smile